Jesus Christ, The World Wide Wounded Wanderer

Jesus Christ, The World Wide Wounded Wanderer
A Study of Early Christians' & Other Nations' Writings, Art, Legends, Artifacts & More

Shows coming on Drive Time Live

http://www.amazon.com/The-Christmas-45-Mills-Crenshaw/dp/1599554550 Mills Crenshaw's Christmas of 45, is still up on Amazon, but more is coming from the master story writer, Mills Crenshaw, Such as his: Christmas The Merchant of Bethlehem, by Mills Crenshaw, 2013.


























Recent shows: Darell Thorpe, with Mills talking about Christmas customs, his book: Christmas of 45. Darell his books: The Christ in Santa Claus Unmasked. And: Jesus Christ, The World Wide Wounded Wanderer.
Link to show 12-16-2013, click link to hear show. Hear also an earlier show on traditions about how Christkindl, Christkind, Kriss Kringle & Santa Claus are later traditions that go back to the early Christian doctrine that Christ went to other nations. To hear this show see this link: 12-21-2012 Christmas legends.


Darell Thorpe was also on Radio Active, with Steve Mitton, talking about how Santa Claus traditions go back to the early Christian doctrine that Christ went to other nations around the world. Looking to see if this show was archived: http://stevemitton.blogspot.com/

Today, Monday 12-23-2013, Mills guest will be: Lane Ronnow, TV host of Southern Utah Live, http://southernutahlive.com/

http://southernutahlive.com/category/view/A-Story-To-Tell

In light, or night, of current events about gay wedding issues, the following should be of interest:

http://disruptthenarrative.com/2013/01/08/45-communist-goals-by-dr-cleon-skousen-1958/

"45 Communist Goals by Dr. Cleon Skousen (1958) 08 Jan The following is a list of Current Communist Goals as revealed by Dr. Cleon Skousen in The Naked Communist, written in 1958 and read into the Congressional Record in 1963. Of the 45, I can provide specific examples to at least 40 of them. While they may be masqueraded under the guise of something other than communism, the final result is the same – the dissolution of the Constitutional Republic that is the foundation of the United States of America. It’s interesting that the Representative was a member of the Democratic Party, the very party that has been largely enveloped by those with Communist and Socialist beliefs. Let’s see where we are in 2013. As you read, keep in mind that this list was written in 1958."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press. (CHECK. Many of us remember George Carlin’s Seven Forbidden Words. While all of them can now be heard on cable channels, most of them can be heard on even network television.)

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.” (CHECK, CHECK, CHECK. The point here? Undermine the family unit and weaken the community by creating single parent homes and non-reproductive couples. However, as many same-sex couples do have the desire to have children, this aspect of the mission has failed to a degree. The irony is that most “isms” consider homosexuality as offensive, however, as with anything else, it provides a means to their ends and the homosexual population are too eager to join the cause without knowing the history behind the “acceptance”. )

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.” (CHECK, CHECK, CHECK.)28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principal of “separation of church and state.” (CHECK. The ACLU and atheist groups have made this their primary mission. And the ignorance of the American people and the courts have allowed it to continue. THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE CLAUSE IN THE CONSTITUTION.)

Bruce R. McConkie, April 198o General Conference talk: The Coming Tests and Trials and Glory. He talks about the past & a vision of the future they were shown. Note the date again, April 1980, a section says:

"Amid tears of sorrow—our hearts heavy with forebodings—we see evil and crime and carnality covering the earth. Liars and thieves and adulterers and homosexuals and murderers scarcely seek to hide their abominations from our view. Iniquity abounds. There is no peace on earth.We see evil forces everywhere uniting to destroy the family, to ridicule morality and decency, to glorify all that is lewd and base. We see wars and plagues and pestilence. Nations rise and fall. Blood and carnage and death are everywhere. Gadianton robbers fill the judgment seats in many nations. An evil power seeks to overthrow the freedom of all nations and countries. Satan reigns in the hearts of men; it is the great day of his power."

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1980/04/the-coming-tests-and-trials-and-glory?lang=eng


A must see documentary! Death By China, (USA's jobs out sourced, communist China's slave productions, making products for USA to buy! How manufacturing in USA is dead! For the most part.
China flooding USA with harmful products, made by slaves in deadly working conditions. A little bit of global warming propaganda in this documentary too, but still makes some interesting points).

Salvaged & Lost Radio shows found & now archived:

There are two must hear radio shows that I took the time to track down & also salvage. One is of Mills with Lindsey Williams. For some reason it didn't get recorded or show up in KTKK's archives under Mills. But I happened to have made a rather low quality recording of the show through a weak signal that came from the station to my radio tape recorder. I spent some time attempting to clean out the hissing, and sent it to Lindsey who's people kept requesting it. They put it on their web site. Here's a link:

Lindsey Williams – K-Talk – Mills Crenshaw – October 24, 2013 - See more at: http://www.lindseywilliams.net/lindsey-williams-k-talk-mills-crenshaw-october-2013-post/#sthash.4aULaIUh.dpuf I just discovered that it was archived on the radio archives, when this was, I'm not sure. I know that sometimes it takes a few days. But here it is in a clearer, higher quality. 2013 10 25 lindsey williams.mp3

Lindsey Williams – K-Talk – Mills Crenshaw – October 2013 - See more at: http://www.lindseywilliams.net/lindsey-williams-k-talk-mills-crenshaw-october-2013-post/#sthash.4aULaIUh.dpuf










Another show that got lost was one with Craig B. Hulet, 2013 09 05 Craig Hulet Syrian problem.mp3

Is America becoming National Socialized? Like Nazi Germany? See this series: The Occult History of the Third Reich ! The Enigma of the Swastika

The Occult History of the Third Reich - Himmler The Mystic.

The Occult History of the Third Reich - Adolf Hitler.

The Occult History of the Third Reich - The SS & Soil.

Hilter's Death Panels!

Obama's Health Care Policy: Hitler's T-4.

SHOCKING! Obamacare "Death Panels" Mimic Hitler's T4 Eugenics Program.

Interesting NDE prophecy, made by Dannion Brinkley, in 1995, when it was written in his book, At Peace In The Light, p. 7. He says he was shown visions of the future by 13 beings of light: "They revealed to me changes in the earth as well as changes in the way the government sees itself. They showed me the rise and fall of different countries in the Middle East, and how those shifts in power occur. They also gave me a preview of the coming struggle in Western culture over health care, as well as the economic collapse of the dollar and the decline of the cities.... They made it clear to me that if we do not recapture our spirits, we will not be able to cope with the future." (Dannion Brinkley, with Paul Perry, At Peace In The Light, (New York, New York: Harper Paperbacks, A Division of Harper Collins Publishers, 1995), 7).

REALIST NEWS - Lindsey Williams - Elite Emergency Data September 2013 Latest Info.

Check them out.

Related links: http://www.lindseywilliams.net/lindsey-williams-k-talk-mills-crenshaw-october-2013-post/


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-31/stockman-warns-of-crash-of-fed-fueled-bubble-economy.html Stockman Warns of Crash of Fed-Fueled Bubble Economy

“When it bursts, there will be no new round of bailouts like the ones the banks got in 2008,” wrote Stockman, a former senior managing director at Blackstone Group LP (BX) and a former Republican congressman from Michigan. “Instead, America will descend into an era of zero-sum austerity and virulent political conflict, extinguishing even today’s feeble remnants of economic growth.”

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-april-8-2013/exclusive---david-stockman-extended-interview-pt--1















Exclusive - David Stockman Extended Interview Pt. 1








In this exclusive, unedited interview, former Reagan administration budget director David Stockman warns against serial economic bubbles. (08:19)

http://economicupdate-mytake.blogspot.com/2013/04/stockman-warns.html








Tuesday, April 2, 2013








stockman warns...








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Another addition of the on going series: Mormon Issues, Sept. 12, 2013, Thursday, 3PM, Martin Tanner & Van Hale, in station guests, Darell Thorpe, (Producer), on guest line. With Mills Crenshaw, we'll go over some of the basic common anti-Mormon issues, misconceptions, and disinformation tactics that are often used by critics to vilify The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Earlier shows:

2013 0219 THE MORMON QUESTION Martin Tanner - Van Hale - Darrell Thorpe.mp3


Tues. 8-13-13, 3PM Mountain Time, Jeremy Shane, Freemason on Freemasonry. Secret Conspiracy in Plain Sight.

2013 0813 JEREMY SHANE The FREE MASONS.mp3


Thursday, 8-15-13, 3PM Mountain Time, guest: Craig Hulet. Current political events, and up-dates on the latest cuts at the threads of the Constitution.

Past Shows:

Click this link to hear: 8-30-2013, Rev. Howard Storm, former Atheist, talked about his NDE = Near Death Experience, took calls and answered a lot of questions about what he was shown in possible visions, could happen in the United States of America, if we don't repent & as a whole, follow Christ's teachings.

Other shows with Howard:

2012 1112 HOWARD STORM Near Death Experience.mp3

FRI HOWARD STORM.mp3

Craig B. Hulet, is a must hear guest!

The Craig Hulet Radio appearances collection.

2013 0604 CRAIG HULET 3 HRS.mp3

CRAIG B Hulet THE SAUDIs WERE BEHIND 9-11.mp3

2013 0319 CRAIG HULET.mp3

20121 0308 Craig Hulet follow-up GAS PRICES.mp3

2012.06.18.Craig Hewlett with guest Host Martin Tanner.Saudi's Behind 911.etc..mp3

2012 1109 Hulet.mp3

2012 1012 CRAIG Hulet.mp3

2012 0817 CRAIG Hulet.mp3

2012 0307 CRAIG B. HULET.mp3

2013 0730 KILLSHOT-CRAIG HULET LETTER .mp3

Hear also:
7-22-2013 Rev. LINDSY WILLIAMS and DR. RODRIGO RODRIGEZ. On Where the Elite go for healing and better health care outside the USA.

6-6-2013 LINDSEY WILLIAMS.


In the 2nd hour, on Wed. 8-7-13, Mike Ash, Shaken Faith Syndrome, FAIR speaker, LDS Apologist, and scholar. Click this link, forward to 2nd hour to hear.

7-25-2013 DON BRADLEY and PROF. DAN PETERSON, FAIR CONFERENCE MORMON APOLOGETICS

2012 0731 DAN PETERSON ANTI MORMON APOLOGETICS.mp3

Monday, 8-5-2013, click this link to hear, Guest: G. Edward Griffin, author of The Creature from Jekyll Island, A Second Look at the Federal Reserve.

(Darell Thorpe, Producer's Note: I finished reading the 5th edition, 2-25-2013! What an eye opener on what has been going on for the past 100+ years! The secret gathering of Banksters at Jekyll Island, to create the Creature, the Federal Reserve! The creation of money out of nothing; the wielding of power the money masters have over the USA's government, our lives & the world. The economic wars; the power to inflate and deflate and thus create recessions and depressions. The quest for a new world money system for a New World Order. Plus much more. This is the story and history of corruption, immunities from prosecutions, & protection that the FED has about it, to be able mess with economies, and make USA's tax payers pay the bills, while the Banksters behind the scenes cash in! An eye opening story about the ever increasing powers that the FED has over the USA's government, the people & the world). For more information, click this link.


For an audio version of the book, click this link.
The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve  [G. Edward Griffin]

Suggested topics: Griffin's book: 5th edition of The Creature from Jekyll Island, A Second Look at the Federal Reserve. On Amazon.
Also, audio book, at audible, an Amazon company.

Also: We're approaching the 100 year mark for the passing of another unread bill, rushed through into law, around Christmas time, 1913!

Why was the Federal Reserve Act sneaked through the legislative branch, & speedily signed into law?

What did the Banksters hope to accomplish with it?

How has America and the world's money systems, the economy & our lives changed over 100 years?

What power does the FED wield over the USA government & the world?


WHO'S POLICING THE POLICE? #2; #3; #4; SEE THIS 4TH OF JULY POLICE CHECK POINT! IS AMERICA BECOMING NAZI GERMANY?

Monday, July 8, 2013, Click this link to hear guest: Ray McGovern, raymcgovern.com
Suggested topics: Government gone wild! What are the current issues that America should be concerned about & wake up to?

rrmcgovern@gmail.com
McGovern is a veteran CIA analyst. He wrote an op-ed that was published today in the Baltimore Sun: "There is a way out for President Barack Obama as he attempts to cope with Edward Snowden's disclosures about the National Security Agency's overreaching eavesdropping, the turbulent world reaction, and the lack of truthfulness shown by National Intelligence Director James Clapper and NSA Director Keith Alexander. The President should seize the initiative by suggesting to both that they 'spend more time with their families.'"



Monday, July 22, 2013, 3PM Mountain Time, Rev. Lindsey Williams will be back again. Hear earlier show on You Tube, June 6, 2013.



Click this link to hear show- Wed. June 19, 2013, 4 PM, Second hour, call in guest: Lance Dahave Smith, Conspiracy in America.



7-8-2013 Ray McGovern NSA SPYING ON US CITIZENS

2013 0610 NSA SPY DISCLOSURE.mp3

2013 0610 NSA INVASION OF PRIVACY OF ALL CITIZENS.mp3

Click this link to hear show for Thursday, 6-20-2013, 3PM Mountain Time, Guest: John McManus, President of the John Birch Society, JBS on You Tube. Suggested topics: Current events that effect Americas freedoms, which Americans should know about. What's the latest findings from the researchers and writers at the JBS. Up-coming events?

7-2-2013 John Birch Society - ZIMMERMAN TRIAL.

2013 0620 John McMannis - JOHN BIRCH - OBAMA IN EUROPE

2012 0223 JOHN MCMANUS JOHN BIRCH SOCIETY.mp3

2012 0801 JOHN MCMANUS Pres - John Birch Society.mp3

Click link to hear show, Monday, June 24, 2013, 3PM, Guest: Angie Fenimore, Topics: Her NDE & new book about The Dandelion Principle, The Story of a Murderer's Daughter's Journey Through Forgiveness & Love.

In 1991 the author, a wife and mother, decided to take her own life in the hopes of finding peace. Her near-death experience was not a heavenly encounter, however, but a brush with a nightmare. Her journey to hell and back is charted in an astoundingly vivid account which proves hard to put down. -- Midwest Book Review

Angie now lives in Salt Lake City, Utah with three of her six children. She has five grandchildren and is co-writing The Dandelion Principle - What Would Be Possible if One Daughter Chose Forgiveness, the riveting true story of the daughter of Utah's notorious, ritualistic murderer, Dan Lafferty.


Picture of Angie Fenimore http://www.angiefenimore.com/






To re-book as call in guest, Tim Ballard to talk about his new book on Lincoln.

The American Covenant Institute.

On the Blaze, Timothy Ballard on Saving this Nation.

Big Brothers' eyes & ears on Americas' phones, e-mails, etc. Martin Tanner, and Son, David Tanner, talk about these issues. Click this link to hear the show. Last week in June, 2013.

Monday, July 1, 2013, 3PM Mountain Time, Call in Guest: Jozet Richardson Hulley. Topics: The Near Death Experience of her late husband, Lance Richardson, The Message. Also, They Saw Our Day, (Prophetic visions of our days from different cultures).

Tues. July 2, 2013, Click link to hear guest, Blew Tew, John Birch Society, JBS. Threats to Americas' freedoms.


50 Years Later: Pres. John F. Kennedy- Coup to Kill & Still Cover it Up?


It's been 50 years from 1963 to 2013, since President, John F. Kennedy was assassinated! Will we ever know the full truth about what happened in Dallas Texas, on Elm's Street, on 11-22-1963? Will we ever be allowed to know? Right now American's lives are being snooped into from e-mails, phone calls, text messages, and so forth. So why can't America snoop into all of the records about the JFK assassination? Or can we now? Let's find out! Here's some links to documentaries, research sites; You Tube presentations; etc.

New World Money Orders, Coup to Kill & Cover Up JFK Murder

JFK assassination (the real story) - Documentary.

Strange theories and investigations?

JFK Assassination Lie, (Narrated by Robert J. Groden).

JFK Murder, (Robert J. Groden's site).

Different possible motives, theories, sources and players:

Sources of actual first account news coverage.

JFK Files Now Open?

Forgotten Evidence: JFK Conspiracy.

Was Lee Harvey Oswald "a pasty" as he claimed? Or

Recent Shows On Drive Time Live, The Mills Crenshaw Show, airs M-F, 3-6 PM Mountain Time!

We had an interesting guest line up on Drive Time Live, The Mills Crenshaw Show, so listen in on KTKK 630 AM Radio, K-Talk, airs M-F, 3-6 PM Mountain Time:

Monday, June 3rd, Joel Skousen to call guest line, 3PM Mountain, your time?

Tues, June 4, 2013, Craig B. Hulet to hear show, click this link.

Wed. 5th, Constance Cumbey to call guest line, 3PM, Mountain. Click this link to hear.

Thurs. 6th, Rev. Lindsey Williams to call guest line, 3PM Mountain. Click this link to hear show.

"Depopulation" Popular Amongst World Leaders & Elites?

Back in 12-18-1988, Constance Cumbey was on Mills Crenshaw's show on KTKK 630 AM radio, Utah. She talked about her book: Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow. During the show she warned of different New Age writers who talked of a cleansing to come, which would depopulate a large part of the earth. Click this line to hear. How that 1/4 to 1/2 of the planet's population would have to die!

Constance also talked about "bio-regions" that they had planned, 10 of them. The North American Free Trade Agreement, NAFTA was hinted to, which world leaders have later come out as pushed this towards the North American Union. Were these bio-regions the same as the different super states planned, the different Unions? See: The Rise of Unions, Super States with in the One World Government that Globalists Seek!

Her 1988 show with Mills, also got into different earth day type movements, gathering and environmentalists who seem to be of the same crowd, or cut from the same mold as the Climate change, global warming groups. World leaders now tell us that: The "dangers of Climate changes" & the "protection" of earth, little critters, & endangered animals & insect species, can only come through global governance! Where USA's water ways, forest, parks, & the world's oceans, & "biosphere reserves" & "world heritage sites" are established & placed under the control of the United Nations!

Some years ago, on Mills Crenshaw's show, Craig B. Hulet made a connection with the New Age Movement and the anti-pollution, global climate war that was to come, from 1960's onward. How the Report From Iron Mountain, or The Iron Mountain Report, or as this rare video is entitled: Iron Mountain Blueprint to Tyranny, warns: Population control and pollution issues were going to become major issues that the powers that be would bring up. Which brings us to Agenda 21, where the UN seeks to control lands, peoples, and their lives. How many kids parents can have, that sort of thing, population control! See: New World Money Order$ 2:1-2:6, Series. Vaccines and the Depopulation Agenda And: December 21, 2009, Depopulation by Food Will Begin. Farmageddon, the Movie. Here's links on Health Issues, poisons peddled on us. http://www.sprword.com/ Here's Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz documentaries.

Globalists' Predictions of Forced Population Control = Mass Murders

In Lies We Trust: The CIA, Hollywood and Bioterrorism, Narrated by Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz

VACCINES, AUTISM AND POPULATION CONTROL


Illuminazi 9-11 : Anthony J. Hilder : Free Download & Streaming


Chemtrails: What in the World Are They Spraying (Full-Length HD)


Cliff Kincaid, Global Taxe$ for World Government, (Louisianna: Huntington House Publisers, 1997), p.103-125. The Environmental Protection Agency = EPA, claims they want to protect different endangered animal, insect, plant & bird species. While, ironically, the human family remains an endangered species! (DT, Endanger Species: Humanity, (Utah: R.H. & P.S., 1999). Endangered through population reduction & forced birth control policies of globalists' ideologies; who preach & predict of coming forced abortions, forced sterilization, restrictions of movement & living space, etc. You Tube: New World Money Order$ 2:4 More on Population Control & Reduction as Globalists' "Final Solution!"

In favor of this, former US Defense Secretary, & former World Bank President, Robert Strange McNamara, about 1984, on commenting about how he was involved with the International Conference on Population, Mexico City, Aug. 6-14. 1984; he said on a radio show: That to solve the "crisis" & "problems" of increased world population, we'll eventually have to resort to "coercive policies," that will take away many of our individual freedoms!

McNamara: "And I predict if we continue as we are, by the end of this century, there will be ahh, wide spread adoption of coercive policies, national coercive policies restricting the FREEDOM of individual ahh, leading for example [to] forced sterilization, restricting movements royal to urban areas! And stimulating what I call 'brutal family practices,' high rates of abortion! And high rates of female infamicide! That's what lie ahead of us; that's what lies ahead of the world, unless we ahh deal with more effectively with this problem!" (You Tube, Justin Martyr Jr., video documentary series: New World Money Order$ 2:1 Population Reductions as "Final Solution," Billions to Die! Part 2 Part 3 ). And: Better for All the World: The Secret History of Forced Sterilization and America's Quest for Racial Purity by Harry Bruinius. And: Milton William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse. Bob Salter warned of this on different radio shows during late 1970s through 80s). Thus, also the basic unit of our societies, the family, is under attack too, as 1 child policies forced upon families in China, is said to be the example & pattern & State run experiment to be enforced on the world under the ideology of globalists' world population control. You Tube play list: Alex Jones Warns of Global Government, New World Order See: End Game

Robert McNamara on Vietnam: Loss of moral of troops, hard to get recruits, & if war is deescalated, loss of a population
control method! Thus prolonged wars being used as population control!

Robert McNamara, June 9, 1964, You Tube: How To Start A War - (The Covert Strike - First Policy). They didn't want to pull out of the Vietnam war, because war is a good way to depopulate! It's, as Robert McNamara said, pulling out from the Nam would be "...the gradual loss of population control..." (Time on You Tube Video, 6:22, How To Start A War - (The Covert Strike-First Policy), Robert Strange McNamara, talking with Lyndon B. Johnson about the Vietnam War).

October 2, 1979, Robert Strange McNamara (President of the World Bank) addressed a group of international bankers thus: "We can begin with the most critical problem of all, population growth" ..concluding that "..either the current birth rates must come down more quickly, or the death rates must go up...There are, of course, many ways in which the death rates can go up. In a thermonuclear age, we can accomplish it very quickly and decisively" (as indeed they had done in Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945).

"In April 1974, Kissinger drew up a secret plan for population control called the 'National Security Plan of Action 200' (NSSM 200), which was endorsed by the National Security Decision Memorandum 314, and finally declassified in 1900. In brief, it claimed that population growth in the less-developed countries was "..creating political or even national security problems for the US", and it would seek help from the UN Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA founded in 1969) - but stressing that it would be under US leadership."
"NB: this was at a time when America was being wracked by the Watergate scandal, as a result of which its president, Richard Nixon, had to resign. At the very least, it would seem that - in the eyes of the Administration - the policy of 'population control' stood high in its list of priorities. In August 1974, at a meeting in Bucharest, the UN passed a resolution adopting The World Population of Action as proposed by the US delegation. It would seem that US leadership was indeed essential! The UNFPA was to hold similar meetings at 10-year intervals thereafter."

Sources:
Former US Defense Secretary, & former World Bank President, Robert Strange McNamara, about 1984, on commenting about how he was involved with the International Conference on Population, Mexico City, Aug. 6-14. 1984. He said on a radio show, hosted by one Michael Jackson, (not the pop singer): That to solve the "crisis" & "problems" of increased world population, they'll eventually have to resort to "coercive policies," that will take away many of our individual freedoms!

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_skullbones07.htm See also: Better for All the World: The Secret History of Forced Sterilization and America's Quest for Racial Purity by Harry Bruinius. And: Milton William Cooper, Behold a Pale Horse. Radio talk show host, 1980s (?) Bob Salter, warned of this on different radio shows during late 1970s through 80s. Thus, also the basic unit of our societies, the family, is under attack too, as 1 child policies forced upon families in China, is said to be the example & pattern & State run experiment to be enforced on the world under the ideology of globalists' world population control. You Tube play list: Alex Jones Warns of Global Government, New World Order See: Alex Jone's End Game.

David Rockefeller spoke of Population Control too!

Mercury in vaccines; fluoride in our water, chem trails in the air, like Agent Orange was sprayed over the jungles in Nam; all kinds of chemicals in foods; small farms and gardens & good natural foods almost becoming "illegal," or small farmers over regulated to death! Does all this sum up to depopulation or population control?

Bill Gates on C02, heating up the planet, "global warming," as a concern, along with over population. He wants to use vaccines to control over population!

Obama, 9-23-2009, talking to the United Nations, called global warming "a crisis" that needs global partnerships to deal with it. He also mentioned helping the H1N1 vaccines to be distributed through the World Health Organization.

Climategate Gadianton Robbers Global Warming Tax Gains

1-10-2011, Globalist, Van Jones- Climate Scam, He says to young people, we'll have to "pretend" some other crisis, because the "pretend" global warming didn't work! It didn't get them the taxing, regulations, & forced permits upon those bad carbon spewing people who they alleged were destroying the planet!

Notes on bio-regions, mentioned by Constance Cumbey:

The birth of "Unions," such as European Union, a super state, one in a number of states, for World Government!

  • 1917-1991, Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, USSR, or Soviet Union, was one of the globalists' first UNIONS.
  • Adolf Hitler said that National Socialism would help build a "New Order," or "New World Order." His unpublished book, New World Order, 1928, if authentic, tells how he sought the Unification of Europe. Many old World War 2 documentaries often mention Hitler's "New Order!"
  • 1945, Arab League is formed, as a step towards Arab Union.
  • September 19, 1946, at the University of Zurich, former Prime Minister of England, Winston Churchill, pro New World Order, spoke of "European unity." Proposing ‘a kind of United States of Europe’ with a "Council of Europe."
  • 1944-57, numerous "Unions" & councils & conventions, hammered out one treaty, trade & aid agreements after another. North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO), 4 April 1949; Assembly of the Council of Europe. Nov. 1950, European Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms, steps towards the super state European court system.
  • 1954-55, the first Bilderberg meetings of globalists, worked out ways to bring about treaties that would become steps towards a European Union, & with money called the euro!
  • 1957 signing of Treaty of Rome, created European Economic Community, which paved ways for European Union = EU, one of the super states with in World Government. Maastricht Treaty (formally, the Treaty on European Union, TEU) was signed on 2-7-1992 & entered into force on 11-1-1993, creating the now European Union and led to the creation of the euro. Another, was the Lisbon Treaty.

United We Fall (The Rise of the North American Union, the End of Traditional America).

Hitler's Secret Book And: Anthony J. Hilder, host of Radio Free World, (Nevada), 1990s, interviewed Terry Cook about 666 The Mark of the Beast. Anthony mentions Hitler's 2nd book, "entitled, A New World Order." See also the series & documentary: The Occult History of the 3rd Reich ) And: Alex Jones, End Game HQ full length version which quotes: "National Socialism will use its own revolution for establishing a New World Order." Adolf Hilter. Also: To the United States Senate, Feb. 7, 1950, James Paul Warburg: "We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent."

Radio reminder, call in guest: Costance Cumbey, Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, The New Age Movement and Our Coming Age of Barbarism, 1983. What's happened from then on?

Book on Amazon, it's a classic!

Suggested Topics: What connections do the New Agers have with Green Earthers, Environmental Movements, Global Warming scammers; Global warming tax, world taxes on carbon emissions, etc? Are they same crowd, or cut from the same molds?

Earlier shows on KTKK 630 AM radio.

2013 0327 Constance Cumbey Abiotic Oil.mp3

Parts of the 12-18-1988 show on You Tube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yZLiUYVqhvc#t=564s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=gqLemheYQtM#t=57s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GqHgfvuWb3o#t=64s

Other notes of interest:

Late 1980, to early 1990's Communist leader Gorbachev also spoke of working towards a "New World Order" too.

1991, President George Bush, during the Persian Gulf War, uses the U.N. peace force to pounce on any nation, if it should step out of line behind the banner of "The New World Order." This is what may have happened in the cases with the leaders of Panama and Iraq.

By 1991, nine of the 13 Central Intelligence Agency = CIA's directors have been members of the CFR.

1991, January 29, President George Bush said during his State of the Union address that what was happening in the Persian Gulf War was "something larger than ourselves... [as Americans. For] What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea: a new world order... The world can therefore seize this opportunity to fulfill the long-held promise of a new world order."

Kah, En Route To Global Occupation, 1991, p. 24-65. Lee, The United Nations Conspiracy, p. 68. Gary Allen, The Rockefeller File, pp. 127--30. Congressional Record--Senate, 15 December 1987, p. S18146.

Anthony J. Hilder, Radio Free World, taped radio show entitled: 666 The Mark of the Beast, guest Terry Cook, 1990's, Nevada radio station. During this show and others, Anthony played talks given by President George Bush and communist leader Gorbachev in which they both talked about establishing the "New World Order." Also: Mills Crinshaw interviewed Constance Cumbey on KTKK "K-talk" 630 AM Radio, December 18, 1988. Cumbey says that Gorbachev talked about establishing a "New World Order". See also: Gary H. Kah,, En Route to Global Occupation, (Lafayette, Louisiana: Huntington House Publishers, 1991), p. 7.

Recent shows!

Monday, May 20, 2013, 3PM Mountain Time, Guest: Dr. Lorraine Day. More Health Issues. She was on: 4-29-2013 DR LORAINE DAY.mp3

Tues., May 21, 2013, guest: Craig Bergman, Patriots for Christ. Topics: The up-coming documentary, "Unsustainable," the truth about Agenda 21 revealed. To hear show: 2013 0521 CRAIG BERGMAN AND AGENDA 21.mp3

Links to consider on Agenda 21.

Globalists' Predictions of Forced Population Control = Mass Murders

Wed. May 22, 2013, 3PM, call in guest: Ned Dougherty, NDE, Fast Lane to Heaven. To hear show: 2013-05-22 NED DOUGHERTY, FAST LANE TO HEAVEN 3 HOURS.mp3

Link to Ned Dougherty's website to order books, DVDs, CDs, etc:

www.endtimesdaily.com



Tues., June 4, 2013, 3PM Mountain Time, on guest line: Craig Hulet.

Recent Shows of Interest:

Wed. May 15, 2013, Guest: Frank Vernuccio, The NEW YORK ANALYSIS Topics: China's modernization of their military, weaponry, navy, and armed forces. Does Communist China still seek a war with America? What threats do they hold over other nations and the world? See: Annual Report to Congress [on] Military and Security Developments Involving the People's Republic of China 2013

USAGOVPOLICY.COM

Thursday, May 16, 2013, Guest:

-- Rebecca Kiessling
Pro-life Speaker/Attorney
Conceived in Rape - Targeted for Abortion
Director of Save The 1



Recent shows & Important Links

Rev. Lindsey Williams, Friday, May 3, 2013.
Click link to hear show. Topics: The Elites Secret Agendas to rule the world and protect themselves in their secret resorts in the wild. During show he made reference to: David Stockman, New York Times, April 2nd, 2013. What the Elites have planned, what's their agenda! Collapse the Money System of the World. Setting up a New World Order, control of money, food, and creating a crisis that will make it so that the people will have to come to the Elites for basic needs to survive. Another talk he made reference to is: Vice President of the USA, Joe Biden, calls for a New World Order, and new financial institutions.

See also the Rev. Lindsey Williams Collection:
Lindsey Williams web site.
You Tube Appearances.
Middle East Crisis.
Torn From The Land (Big Farm gobbling up family Farms).
The Energy Non-Crisis - Lindsay Williams - Truth about Oil and oil Prices.
Pastor Lindsey Williams Presents - The Non Energy Crisis.
Its The Final Countdown to Total Collapse. Federal Reserve Owns Your Home.
Syndrome of Control. (A must see, the Jonathan May story!)
To Seduce A Nation.
Secrets of the Elite.
On Coast to Coast Radio.
More links to consider on You Tube.
Books, classics that warned about many aspects of those behind the scenes seeking world rule: The Energy Non Crisis.
Syndrome of Control.
To Seduce A Nation.

Other recent shows:

4-29-2013, recent show, click link to hear: Dr. Lorraine Day, Health Issues.

Random Archive of Mills Crenshaw's Radio Shows

Random Archive of Mills Crenshaw's Radio Shows
Pictures are links, click on them!

Missed a show? Click Links & on Photos below to hear Mills Crenshaw's Archived Shows!

How to Listen to Current & Past Shows!

How to Listen to Current & Past Shows!
Photos Link to Related Sites & Guests' Photos to Archived Shows- Or KTKK's Internet Site- Click On Them!

Archives, Promos, Sources, Links, Commentaries & More!

Archives, Promos, Sources, Links, Commentaries & More!
Pictures are Links to many topics covered on Drive Time Live

Recent Shows of Interest!

List the Criminals That Have Turned In Their Guns! If You Please!

If politicians want to create a long list of registered gun owners; then, I'd like to see a big long list of all the criminals that have turned in their guns! Especially when more laws, bans, and politicians have listed which ones need to be turned over!

Where's the list? What were the guns? Who, in the criminal world, has stepped forward to hand them over? Name at least one!

If no one can, then how can any politician think that it will ever happen? That gang members, drug dealers, murderers, and other thugs will all line up, or even at least some of them, to turn them in! That they will suddenly have a change of heart and will declare; in the middle of their crimes, or gang wars; that they'll say, throwing aside their guns: "Oh!, Damn! I can't use this gun now, it's been declared illegal, it's now banned!"

If they're not going to obey the greater laws of not killing, etc., what makes politicians think that they'll obey any lesser laws that might be dreamed up. Moreover, for the human rights violators, and tyrants at the United Nations to declare that USA and the world needs to be disarmed through disarmament processes & treaties, is hypocritical!

(See also: Freedom From War, The United States Program For General And Complete Disarmament In A Peaceful World, Department of State, Publication 7277, September 1961, Disarmament Series 5).

I'd also like to hear victims' testimonials of times that they were able to get the home invaders, or business robbers, to put down their weapons by telling them: "You can't use that gun, it's been banned!"

Let's not forget the lessons of history:

History shows that corrupt politicians' connections with weapons corporations, and war machines of the military Industrial Complex, don't mind making tons of money off of arming both sides of the different major conflicts throughout history. Weapons, fuel, war materials, technologies, and USA made war productions, have ended up killing, wounding & threatening USA's own troops! Especially when they've been acquired, through arms deals, by legal and illegal means, by countries fighting against the USA. Then, to make it easier for USA's enemies, we're always sold the propaganda that America should give up our arms, be disarmed, like the rest of the world. Mean while, the same politicians, and those that follow after them; are alleged to be bought off by illegal campaign donations! Plus, some of them are also alleged to get some of their funds from corrupt, criminal global gangsters, that are arming drug smuggling street gangs in the USA! Plus, arming other nations with nukes, and nuke technologies, and other weapons that threaten USA's cities and troops! So it's ironic that many of these same politicians have called for the disarming of American citizens, when they've been sworn to defend the USA's constitution and 2nd amendment! 1

Another historical case in point is: 1966, during the Communist Cultural Revolution, the thugs came out and rounded up the wealth, and of course, took any guns they could find. 2

Back in the late 1700s, Thomas Jefferson, cites Beccaria, who points out: "False is the idea of utility that sacrifices a thousand real advantages for one imaginary or trifling inconvenience; that would take fire from men because it burns, and water because one may drown in it; that has no remedy for evils, except destruction. The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm those only who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Can it be supposed that those who have the courage to violate the most sacred laws of humanity, the most important of the code, will respect the less important and arbitrary ones, which can be violated with ease and impunity, and which, if strictly obeyed, would put an end to personal liberty.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man...." 3

How inconsistent, and ironic, laws, corporates' policies and other nations' anti-gun laws, codes, and legal dung heaps all over the globe are getting now! In the USA, Pilots were armed before 1986, but after that it became a big no, no. What do you think could have happened if the 911 terrorists, alleged to be armed with box cutters, would have stared down a gun pointing in their faces, from an armed Pilot, or Co-pilot? It's obvious!

Recently this year, 2013, New York, where 911 took it's toll, came up with a new law to further bug gun owners with. A man was pulled over and the stop turned into a gun violation, his "crime" he had two bullets over the allowed amount. 4

Ironically, rights are now becoming a privilege that the privileged elites try to take away from the common folks. They have their guns, we have gun control! They have their armed guards, body guards and security; we have laws now coming out from them that almost make it illegal to defend yourself.

Cases in point: After England used cases of criminal gun violence to push ever increasing gun control, they went for confiscating, used the lists of registered gun owners to go after them. Guns became illegal for the common folks and so did self defense with a gun! Think I'm crazy? Consider then the case of Tony Martin. He was a farmer and tried to protect his farm and himself with an "illegal" firearm! It didn't matter to the English authorities that the goons who broke into his farm, which had been broken into many times before; had many repeated offenses already. Martin shot and killed two of the burglars, and wounded the third, Brendon Fearon. The Crown Court found Martin "guilty," and sentenced him to 10 years. Meantime, Fearon was consulted in prison, by officials of the Home Office, if Martin could be subject to parole. On July 2, 2002, the London Daily Mail revealed that the British government were going to give Fearon 5,000 lbs in British money for a suit against Martin. Fearon, a free man, by then, thought he might be able to get at least 50,000 lbs! If there are other cases like this in England, it's no wonder that their crime waves have gone up after their gun bans, confiscations, and cases like this; where defending yourself seems to now be illegal! Especially if one is forced to use an "illegal" gun! It's ironic that such legal bull ends up to favor criminals, more than it does the victims! 5

Ironically, the Clinton Administration went after gun makers, and pushed for gun control too. Mean while, they are alleged to have taken illegal campaign donations from Chinese sources. These same sources were alleged to have also smuggled in guns to drug gangs in L.A., California! Ironically, Attorney General, Eric Holder, was and still is big on gun control; while also arming drug gangs south of the US border, through the failed Fast and Furious Scandal. 6

Other examples in history could be cited, but these points have been made: 1. Criminals aren't going to rush forwards and give up their guns! 2. Gun control only makes it easier for the criminals to do their evil deeds because law abiding citizens aren't armed enough to stop them. Do you think the police are going to get there on time? Not as often as we'd like, they're often there to help clean up the mess and investigate after the fact. 3. If politicians are so concerned about guns, why are some of them arming USA's enemies with all kinds of weaponry and technologies to run the weapons that often end up being used against USA's troops? 4. Like the bumper sticker says: "Out law guns, and only outlaws will have guns!"

Sources:

1. G. Edward Griffin, The Creature from Jekyll Island, A Second Look At the Federal Reserve, 5th Edition, Sept. 2010); Edward Timperlake & William C. Triplett II, Red Dragon Rising, Communist China's Military Threat to America, (Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc., 1999); Edward Timperlake & William C. Triplett II, Year of the Rat, How Bill Clinton Compromised U.S. Security for Chinese Cash, (Washington D.C.: Regnery Pub., 1998); Jeb Babbin & Eward Timperlake, Showdown, Why China Wants War With the United States, (Washington D.C., Regnery, 2006); David B. Funderburk, Former Ambassador to Romania, Betrayal of America, Bush's Appeasement of Communist Dictators Betrays American Principles, (Dunn, NC: The Larry McDonald Foundation, 1991); Wayne LaPierre, Guns, Freedom and Terrorism, (Nashville, Tennessee: WND Books, 2003).

2. Ji Li Jiang, Red Scarf Girl, A Memoir of The Cultural Revolution, (NY, NY: Harper Trophy, 1997), 86, 132-39; See also radio show: Friday, Sept. 23, 2011).

3. Wayne LaPierre, Guns, Freedom and Terrorism, (Nashville, Tennessee: WND Books, 2003), 36, 215, note 5: C. Beccaria, An Essay on Crimes and Punishments, 3rd ed. (London: F. Newbery, 1770), 87-88, emphasis added).

4. The Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, New York, 2913. The Blaze, N.Y. Man Arrested For Gun Violation In NY - His Offense? Two Extra Bullets, May 14, 2013, Liz Klimas.

5. Wayne LaPierre, Guns, Freedoms and Terrorism, (Nashville, WND Books, 2003), 151-153.

6. Wayne LaPierre, Guns, Freedoms and Terrorism, (Nashville, WND Books, 2003), xxi-xxiv, 6, 8, 23, 27, 42-53, 120-130, 196-198; Jeb and Edward Timperlake, Showdown, Why China Wants War With the United States, (Washington D.C.: Regnery Publishing Inc., 2006); Edward Timperlake & William C. Triplett II, Red Dragon Rising, Communist China's Military Threat to America, (Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc., 1999), 35, 72-83, 117-18, 127-150, 158, 163-71, 195, 198; Edward Timperlake & William C. Triplett II, Year of the Rat, How Bill Clinton Compromised U.S. Security for Chinese Cash, (Washington D.C.: Regnery Pub., 1998), 2-4, 7-8, 10-42, 49-52, 62-84, 92, 95-105, 107-265.

Majority of Colorado Sheriffs file suit Against New Gun Laws, by Matthew DeLuca, Staff Writer, NBC News. May, 17, 2013. The new laws are said to severely restrict citizens' rights to use, own and manufacture, or sell fire arms. See link to other issues raised.

http://www.nra.org/aboutus.aspx

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2277409070001/nras-wayne-lapierre-on-connecticuts-tough-new-gun-laws/

Seeking the guest: Wayne LaPierre, author of: Guns Freedom and Terrorism.

http://www.nra.org/aboutus.aspx

http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Freedom-Terrorism-Wayne-LaPierre/dp/0785262210

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyfkQkchlu4

THE EXECUTIVE: Obama's Real Reason He Wants Your Guns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQhdXUuFbDE

Rev. Lindsey Williams warns: "Look how close this was. Check it out. Over the weekend, we came four votes away from the United States Senate giving our Constitutional rights over to the United Nations. In a 53-46 vote, the senate narrowly passed a measure that will stop the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty.
The Statement of Purpose from the bill read:
To uphold Second Amendment rights and prevent the United States from entering into the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty. The U.N. Small Arms Treaty, which has been championed by the Obama Administration, would have effectively placed a global ban on the import and export of small firearms. The ban would have affected all private gun owners in the U.S., and had language that would have implemented an international gun registry on all private guns and ammo. Astonishingly, 46 of our United States Senators were willing to give away our Constitutional rights to a foreign power.
Here are the 46 senators that voted to give your rights to the U.N.:
  • Baldwin (D-WI)
  • Baucus (D-MT)
  • Bennet (D-CO)
  • Blumenthal (D-CT)
  • Boxer (D-CA)
  • Brown (D-OH)
  • Cantwell (D-WA)
  • Cardin (D-MD)
  • Carper (D-DE)
  • Casey (D-PA)
  • Coons (D-DE)
  • Cowan (D-MA)
  • Durbin (D-IL)
  • Feinstein (D-CA)
  • Franken (D-MN)
  • Gillibrand (D-NY)
  • Harkin (D-IA)
  • Hirono (D-HI)
  • Johnson (D-SD)
  • Kaine (D-VA)
  • King (I-ME)
  • Klobuchar (D-MN)
  • Landrieu (D-LA)
  • Leahy (D-VT)
  • Levin (D-MI)
  • McCaskill (D-MO)
  • Menendez (D-NJ)
  • Merkley (D-OR)
  • Mikulski (D-MD)
  • Murphy (D-CT)
  • Murray (D-WA)
  • Nelson (D-FL)
  • Reed (D-RI)
  • Reid (D-NV)
  • Rockefeller (D-WV)
  • Sanders (I-VT)
  • Schatz (D-HI)
  • Schumer (D-NY)
  • Shaheen (D-NH)
  • Stabenow (D-MI)
  • Udall (D-CO)
  • Udall (D-NM)
  • Warner (D-VA)
  • Warren (D-MA)
  • Whitehouse (D-RI)
  • Wyden (D-OR)" (Source: Email from Rev. Lindsey Williams, Emergency Bulletin From Lindsey Williams, 46 Senators Voted To Let the UN Take Our Guns! Tuesday, April 23, 2013).

The Ongoing Dis-arming of America Continues!

The Ongoing Dis-arming of America Continues!
Click on art for You Tube Presentations- Art by Darell Thorpe, Producer, 1-10-2013, Thursday. The Dis-arming of America is the Target!

Mark Walters - Gun Issues Expert

Friday, 1-4-2013, Guest: Mark Walters, Gun Expert, click this link to hear Show on Recent Shootings. What if there had been concealed weapons holders there? Would these terrible shootings have turned out different, or solved before they got started?

What the Freak is "Agenda 21"? Should We Be Paranoid About it?

Monday, 1-14-2013, Guest: Bill Jasper of JBS, Warning Us about Agenda 21. Bill was on speaking tour last fall called "Regulation Overload: How Agenda 21 is Slowly Strangling American Businesses and Property Owners to 'Save' the Environment." Much of his presentation is based off of his article for The New American:http://thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/6911-your-hometown--the-united-nations%E2%80%99-agenda-21 Bill is a leading authority on Agenda 21, having researched the topic for decades. He has a well-earned reputation as one of America’s top investigative reporters and has covered several international conferences hosted by the United Nations. He is currently Senior Editor at The New American. In 1992, he became the first reporter to break the story of Agenda 21 to the American public, after having attended the United Nations Rio Earth Summit and gotten copies of Agenda 21. He wrote about it in The New American:http://thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/11342-eco-92-launching-pad-for-international-global-governance He also published a chapter on it in his book "Global Tyranny ... Step by Step" from that same year. We have published that chapter here:http://thenewamerican.com/rio-20/item/11800-the-global-green-regime William also led a team to the Rio+20 Earth Summit this year. He coordinated efforts from our Appleton office while a team of three videographers and journalists attended the Summit. You can see most of their videos here:http://libertynewsnetwork.tv/index.php/videos/rio-20.html I've attached a recent photo of William, as well as an extended bio. Please let me know if you need anything further. Also attached are anti-Agenda 21 resources we sell at JBS.org to help educate others about Agenda 21. You might find those helpful. And here is a link to our latest video on Agenda 21:http://youtu.be/OzoN0IQsTAE

Find out what different ones are claiming, warning & exposing!

"Agenda 21" The UN's diabolical plan for the world is explained on the "Glenn Beck
Show.

Agenda 21 For Dummies


Agenda 21 is part of the Global Warming Scam!
See: The Great Global Warming Swindle (Full Movie)


Agenda 21 on Wiki.

Agenda 21 Explained, full version on You Tube.

Agenda 21- Codex- Fema Camps-80% Depopulation = New World Order (Terror Camps: The Global Agenda).

How your community is implementing AGENDA 21

Agenda 21: How Will It Affect You? From the John Birch Society, on You Tube.


UN Agenda 21 ~ The End of Freedom, Alex Jones.

Prophetic Warnings About Disarming the People!

LDS Prophet, George Albert Smith, sometime between Oct 1946 & Jan. 1947, is reported to have warned of another more terrible war that could be just as bad as WW2. How that the "U.S. would be bound by numerous entangling alliances and would take away weapons own by the people." Ezra Taft Benson, during the Vietnam war, gave a talk at BYU, & during this devotional talk warned about how the UN would seek to disarm the nations and the USA so that no nation state could challenge the progressively strengthened United Nations Peace Force. (BYU Electronic Media Department, Ezra Taft Benson, talk entitled: Vietnam - Victory or Surrender, tape K1389).

Craig Hulet, researcher and guest on Mills show, also warned, on 3-7-2012, Drive Time Live, that the Fast and Furious scandal, under Attorney General, Eric Holder: (Where thousands of guns were sent to Mexico, in order to try to track where they went; some getting lost in the distribution of them; and getting into the hands of the drug gangs & wars down there. Some also ending up in the hands of those who shot and kill a border patrol officer). Hulet warned that Holder, and the Obamanation Administration, would use Fast and Furious to come up with gun bands. How that soon after this, Holder and others started talking about gun bands of certain types. Plus, how FFL Federal Firearm License holders got a document that suggested profiles of who might be terrorists. If the Obamanation Administration was concerned about childrens' lives, as they should be, then why are they still doing promos on abortions? Why isn't there a ban on big tobacco that kills millions each year around the world? Why does China want America disarmed?

The Disarming of America, and the nations, has already been underway, many years ago. JFK wrote and presented to the United Nations, Freedom From War, which outlined the disarming of America and the Nations; & the progressive steps towards strengthening the United Nations Peace Force to the point, where no nation state could challenge the progressively strengthened United Nations Peace Force. (US Dept of State, Disarmament of State Publication 7277, Disarmament Series 5, Sept. 1961).

Mean while, the Globalists, Globalization of many corporations, have progressed towards arming, fueling, trading, and building up the sworn enemies to the USA, while USA is being disarmed. The materials, technologies, computers, weapons, money, aid, raw materials, and political support, all sum up to a long history of where US Troops end up maimed, or killed by items that ended up being turned into weapons and military tools against them.

Cases in point: Standard Oil of New Jersey is reported to have fueled Nazi U-boats during World War 2, despite the earlier Trading With the Enemy Act, 1917.

Shell Oil Tankers are reported to have been photographed in North Vietnam's ports, during the Vietnam War!

During the Clinton Administration, thousands of computers were sent to China, nuke tech was spied out & other high technologies have ended up in Communist China, who seeks to disarm America!

There are other cases like this where US Troops and the American Public are in danger of being killed by those who talk of preserving lives out of one side of their faces, while they help to take lives out of the other side. All more reason to up-hold the constitution! All of it!


Sources:

  • Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1917–1930 (1968)
  • Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1930–1945 (1971)
  • Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development: 1945–1965 (1973)
  • National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union (1973)
  • Technological Treason: A catalog of U.S. firms with Soviet contracts, 1917–1982 (1982)
Robert W. Lee, The United Nations Conspiracy, (1981).

Pres. Lyndon Johnson's Executive Order, July 29, 1968, #11419, against trading with Rhodesia, who offered to help America against Communists. Rhodesia was barred from imports and exports from the USA, while the Communists weren't.

Edward Timperlake and William C. Triplett II, Red Dragon Rising, Communist China's Military Threat to America, 1999.

Why Should Your Families Get Ready For Possible Famines & Food Shortages?

Tues. 9-20-2011, J. Allen South, Sense of Survival, a book that suggests different things you might need to be ready for possible hard times! Click on link above to hear this show!

Prophetic Warnings about Famines & Food Shortages!

A must read: April 1979 General Conference talk by Bruce R. McConkie, Stand Independent above All Other Creatures,
May 1979 Ensign.

Mass Media Hype about Global Food Shortages, or Fact?

Food Shortages & Famines as Weapons Against the Masses!

See also: Frank Dikotter, Mao's Great Famine, The History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, 1958-1962, (New York: Walker & Co., 2010).

Hype about Hyperinflation & Food Shortages, or Historical?

Ever increasing Government regulations of USA's Farmers who are
Torn From Their Lands.

Near Death Experiences = NDEs warnings about Ecomonic troubles.

Forced De-population & population control policies of some Globalists = Hard Times! Part 2! Forced abortions, forced sterilizations, restricting individual freedoms, are Globalists' answers to the so-called "over population crisis!"

Prophetic warnings! "We warn that individuals who violate covenants of chastity, who abuse spouse or offspring, or who fail to fulfill family responsibilities will one day stand accountable before God. Further, we warn that the disintegration of the family will bring upon individuals, communities, and nations the calamities foretold by ancient and modern prophets."
Proclamation on the Family, by the 1st Presidency & the Council of the 12. Proclamation read by President Gordon B. Hinckley at the General Relief Society Meeting, Sept. 23, 1995.

Deliberate break down of the Economic , trucking, & distribution System , in manufactured depressions = Hard Times!

Sarah Menet, There Is No Death, (In her NDE, her visions of the future, she spoke of the need to get ready for possible famines, by having food storage!)

Why is the Senate attempting to make
food storage & home gardens illegal, with bills like "Senate Bill s-510"? See also Surviving The Future, A National Crisis is Coming, Will You Be Ready? See also: Senate Bill s-510!

How to Survive a Nuclear Attack, by Greg, May 2, 2009.

Prepare Now Newsletter, Prepnow.us

You Tube:
Emergency Preparedness Tips!

Dr. Bones & Amy - Preparedness & Survival

Wed. May 9, 2012, 5:00 PM Guest(s): Dr. Bones, & Amy. Topic: Survival Tips For Possible Hard Times. Preparedness & Survival. Amy is an experts in the field of medical preparedness.

The Craig B. Hulet Collection!

Craig B Hulet was both speech writer and Special Assistant for Special Projects to Congressman Jack Metcalf (Retired); he has been a consultant to federal law enforcement ATF&E of Justice/Homeland Security for over 25 years; he has written four books on international relations and philosophy, his latest is The Hydra of Carnage: Bush’s Imperial War-making and the Rule of Law - An Analysis of the Objectives and Delusions of Empire. He has appeared on over 12,000 hours of TV and Radio: The History Channel “De-Coded”; He is a regular on Coast to Coast AM w/ George Noory and Coffee Talk KBKW; CNN, C-Span ; European Television "American Dream" and The Arsenio Hall Show; he has written for Soldier of Fortune Magazine, International Combat Arms, Financial Security Digest, etc.; Hulet served in Vietnam 1969-70, 101st Airborne, C Troop 2/17th Air Cav and graduated 3rd in his class at Aberdeen Proving Grounds Ordnance School MOS 45J20 Weapons. He remains a paid analyst and consultant in various areas of geopolitical, business and security issues: terrorism and military affairs. Hulet lives in the ancient old growth Quinault Rain Forest.


Friday, Nov. 9, 2012, Craig Hulet exposes the FED's distribution of trillions of tax payers' dollars going out to banksters all over the world! Money that is not coming back to help the United States, but which $$$$ is only making the super rich richer! Certain U.S. Government officials are named & are alleged to be involved with these illegal & unconstitutional distributions of wealth. Major conflict of interest cases & murders!

Friday, Oct. 12, 2012, 3-5 PM Mountain Time. Guest: Craig B. Hulet returns to Drive Time Live! See Promos below for other shows he'll be on too!

Friday, 8-17-2012, 5-7 PM Mountain Time, returning guest: Craig B. Hulet. Suggested topics: Up-dates "From the desk of Craig B. Hulet."


Craig B. Hulet, Link List to earlier shows & comments.
Craig B. Hulet, with Martin Tanner, sitting in for Mills Crenshaw, Monday, 6-18-2012. Myth busting some of the 911 issues. More on the Saudis behind 911. CEOs of world corporations making up their own rules to rule! World Banksters at the Federal Reserve, feeding trillions of US' tax payers' money to banks around the world, without "oversight," permission from Congress, or US tax payers!

Craig B. Hulet, Wed. 3-7-2012,
H.R. 3166- Enemy Expatriation Act - Sending American Citizens into Exile!

Craig B. Hulet, Mills' Guest, Thursday, 9-22-2011: The Saudi's were behind 911! To get the documents that Graig talked about in this show, call Kathy, 360-288-2652, ask for the Saudi -Bush brief paper that Craig wrote. Mention that he was on KTKK on Thursday 9-22-2011.

Hulet on pollution, the global warming scam is part of the plan!

The Hydra of Carnage Bush's Imperial War-making and Rule of Law.

You Tube: Craig B. Hulet.

Craig B. Hulet on Coast to Coast.

Hulet on Coast to Coast, talking about 911 & the killing of Ben Laden before he could be questioned & put on trial!

More on Craig B Hulet!
Saturday June 2nd Coast to Coast

http://www.4shared.com/folder/tvqXkSz_/Hulet.html?refurl=sharedfolderur

June 2012, Alex Jones Show w/ John B Wells

http://www.4shared.com/folder/tvqXkSz_/Hulet.html?refurl=sharedfolderur
Monday June 18th
KTALK Mills Crenshaw 3PM-6PM Pacific; 4-7 PM Mountain Time, SLC UT

WHAT IF THIS WERE TO HAPPEN?

Interesting reads: Jack Monnett, author of Awakening to Our Awful Situation (series) & the most interesting story, When the Lights Went Out. (What happens to a fictional community, after an Electromagnetic Pulse, or an EMP nuke blast out in space & took out the power, transportation, etc.) Also, When the Lights Went Out is being made into a movie, "Pulse."

Suggested topics: Earlier Prophetic Warnings about getting ready for possible hard times seem more logical now, in light of modern high tech weaponry scenarios.

  • Thus, the needs for Food Storage, Emergency Preparedness; Learning Self Defense (such as at Mills' Kenpo Class).
  • Plus, how EMPs could cause a lot of problems, and cause many people, to survive, have to go into their food storage (which those who so do, have been vilified as "terrorists?"*). Or have to seek out those who could help, or who are more ready.
  • How might these possible scenarios change people into hungered crazed gangster types. Thus, the need to learn self defense.
  • How modern weaponry could bring about these possible scenarios of food shortages, transportation break downs, civil disorder, & create the settings where what the prophets have warned many years earlier, could come to pass!** As also brought out also in this TV series, Jericho, & other sources below:

    When The Lights Went Out, EMP Scenario, by Jack Monnett, 2011

    When The Lights Went Out, EMP Scenario, by Jack Monnett, 2011
    As you listen to other shows on EMP dangers; an interesting read on this is Jack Monnett's book: "When the Lights Went Out." Click on book to hear him talk about this! EMP from Nukes in space, or from mega solar flairs, could wipe out electronics & thus crash the transportation system & trucking system. Food wouldn't be able to get to the stores; gas wouldn't be pumped into tanks run by computers & electronics. Thus, food and other needs would become frantically out of supply, while the demands would be still high. This article prophetically explores the prophetic side of what now modern weaponry could create, if not from our own sun!

*
H.R. 4310: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013- 112th Congress, 2011–2012. Text as of Jun 19, 2012 (Referred to Senate Committee). Is said to vilify those who seek to be ready for hard times as possible threats, terrorists. See also this warning by Rand Paul.

** Prophetic Warnings & Other Reasons Why to Store Food & Get Ready for Possible Hard Times, BY Darell Thorpe, Producer, 7-15-2011.

Federal agents raid Mormon food storage facility, demand list of customers storing emergency food!

Saturday, December 10, 2011 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer. Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034371_food_storage_federal_agents_customer_list.html#ixzz25zJkgIoa



JERICHO (TV Series, now on Netflix)

Jericho (TV Series), fictional Conspiracy Theorists' Fest!

When nukes go off in a number of America's cities, a community in the fictional town, Jericho, Kansas deals with their losses, & have to pull their resources together to deal with the aftermath in post-nuclear "new America." Also, with a police state on their rise; militant forces taking over in different areas; and government contract security forces turned gangsters; many battles are fought! But, not only with weapons, hand to hand combat, but also with cleverness, smarts, & determination. You can't help but be drawn in, as different suspenseful multiple dramas run their course throughout this series. Questions arise too: What has become of the Constitution, bill of rights, & law & order? Find out how a community deals with power outages from a EMP. Food shortages, plus many other difficulties. THIS IS A MUST SEE TV SERIES, THAT WILL EMOTIONALLY HOOK YOU THROUGH EACH EPISODE. You can watch this series on Netflix.

Expert Witnesses Warn About Black Outs from EMPs! Wed. 2-15-2012, 5-7 PM MST

Expert Witnesses Warn About Black Outs from EMPs! Wed. 2-15-2012, 5-7 PM MST
The Dangers of an electromagnetic pulse = EMP, a burst of electromagnetic radiation from high energy explosions, nuclear! Click picture to hear show!


Preppers Are Now Considered To Be Potential Terrorists?


"If you and your family store up lots of food, will you be identified as "potential terrorists" by law enforcement authorities? "That sounds like an insane question, but sadly it has gotten to the point where "preparing for the worst" has become a "suspicious activity". Today, there are millions of preppers all across the United States, and the vast majority of them just want to be left alone and do not want the government to interfere in their lives. Storing up food is a completely peaceful activity, and preppers are generally some of the most patriotic and law-abiding people that you could ever hope to meet. Unfortunately, prepping has become associated with "extremism" by many in the government, and lately we have seen some very disturbing signs that authorities are actively seeking to gather information on preppers. So are preppers now considered to be potential terrorists? Well, read the evidence posted in the rest of this article and decide for yourself.

The other day, U.S. Senator Rand Paul gave a speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate during which he suggested that having "more than seven days of food" in your house could potentially get you branded as a "potential terrorist" by the federal government. The following is an excerpt from that speech....

Know good and well that some day there could be a government in power that is shipping its citizens off for disagreements. There are laws on the books now that characterize who might be a terrorist.

Someone missing fingers on their hands is a suspect according to the Department of Justice. Someone who has guns, someone who has ammunition that is weatherproofed, someone who has more than seven days of food in their house can be considered a potential terrorist.

If you are suspected by these activities do you want the government to have the ability to send you to Guantanamo Bay for indefinite detention?

You can see video of this speech right here. It is incredibly chilling to hear a defender of liberty such as Rand Paul warn of such things.

But just because a politician says something that does not always mean that it is true.

So is there any evidence that Americans that are storing up food are being watched by the federal government?

Unfortunately, there is. In fact, Oath Keepers has posted a report about one incident in which federal agents actually visited a food production facility and demanded the names of anyone that has been "purchasing bulk food". The following come from an article about this incident that was recently written by Rand Cardwell, the president of the Tennessee chapter of the Oath Keepers....

A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility related to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.

Why in the world would federal agents be so interested in Americans that are "purchasing bulk food"?

Don't they have anything better to do?

As I have written about previously, authorities are also now using a tool developed by the CDC to conduct "door to door disaster preparedness assessments" in some areas of the United States.

The following comes from a local news report in Tennessee....

The Metro Public Health and the Tennessee Department of Health will be using a tool designed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to go door to door and check to see how disaster ready you are.

The door to door assessment will take place from 3:30 p.m. to 6:00 p.m. Thursday and from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. Friday. It will be in 30 neighborhoods in Davidson County that have been randomly selected to be the target of a door to door assessment.

I don't know about you, but I don't want anyone coming to my door to "assess" how "prepared" I am.

This is all very, very disturbing.

Lately, the federal government seems absolutely obsessed with the distribution of food.

As author Brandon Turbeville noted recently, "the U.S. government has publicly raided organic food shops, raw milk distributors, and the Amish with guns drawn" in recent years.

Aren't there bigger threats to national security than the Amish?

Unfortunately, we now live in a "Big Brother" police state where just about anything can be considered a "suspicious activity".

In fact, according to the FBI a bulk purchase of "meals ready to eat" is now considered to be "suspicious activity" that should be reported to them.

When the "war on terror" started a decade ago, we were told that we needed to fight the terrorists "over there" so that they would not come over here.

Well, now we are being told that the United States itself is part of the "battleground" and that the "terrorists" might just be our neighbors.

We are being told that if we "see something" that we should "say something" to the government.

In essence, the federal government wants us all to "inform" on one another.

Now that most of the big name terrorists have been removed from the picture, the Obama administration and the mainstream media are really hyping the idea that "homegrown terrorism" is a grave danger.

Just check out these headlines from the past few days....

ABC News: "White House Unveils New Strategy to Fight Homegrown Terrorism"

USA Today: "White House unveils new strategy to combat homegrown terror"

CNN: "Measuring the homegrown terrorist threat to U.S. military"

The entire focus of the "war on terror" has shifted. According to FBI Director Robert Mueller, "homegrown terrorists" represent as big a threat to American national security as al-Qaeda does at this point.

America is rapidly changing, and not for the better. All of this paranoia is going to rip this country apart.

In addition, have you noticed how they have taken the word "Islamic" out of their description of the terrorists and have replaced it with words like "extremist" and "extremism"?

Well, the truth is that just about anyone can be considered an "extremist" in one sense or another.

In fact, a recent Salon article asked this question: "Are Evangelicals A National Security Threat?"

These days, if you support an "alternative" political candidate there is a good chance that you will be labeled as an extremist.

During the 2008 election, one law enforcement report identified supporters of presidential candidates Ron Paul, Chuck Baldwin, and Bob Barr as potential terrorists.

Today, if you have a religious or political ideology that differs from the "orthodoxy" of the federal government then you are probably considered to be an "extremist".

Beliefs that were once considered normal are now considered to be "dangerous" and "radical".

For example, one unclassified Department of Homeland Security report published a couple of years ago entitled "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment" claimed that a belief in Bible prophecy "could motivate extremist individuals and groups to stockpile food, ammunition and weapons."

During a Congressional hearing earlier this year, U.S. Representative Sheila Jackson Lee warned that "Christian militants" might try to "bring down the country" and that such groups need to be investigated.

Back on February 20, 2009, the State of Missouri issued a report entitled "MIAC Strategic Report: The Modern Militia Movement". That report warned that the following types of people may be potential terrorists....

*anti-abortion activists

*those that are against illegal immigration

*those that consider "the New World Order" to be a threat

*those that have a negative view of the United Nations

As I have written about previously, a very revealing document obtained by Oath Keepers shows that the FBI is actually instructing store owners to report many new forms of "suspicious activity" to them.

So what does the FBI consider "suspicious activity" to include? According to the document, the FBI now considers "suspicious activity" to include the following....

*paying with cash

*missing a hand or fingers

*"strange odors"

*making "extreme religious statements"

*"radical theology"

*purchasing weatherproofed ammunition or match containers

*purchasing meals ready to eat

*purchasing night vision devices, night flashlights or gas masks

All of this is completely and totally ridiculous.

Law enforcement authorities should quit worrying about preppers. The vast majority of us that are preparing for the hard times that are coming truly love this country, are completely and totally non-violent, and just want to be left alone.

There are real threats to national security out there, but the federal government refuses to address them. For example, our border with Mexico is wide open and it has been documented that terror groups are working in northern Mexico and have been coming across the border on a regular basis.

But instead of securing the border, the Obama administration is granting "backdoor amnesty" to illegal aliens instead.

In addition, law enforcement authorities should look into the massive breach of national security that the "Fast and Furious" scandal represents. With the full knowledge of the Department of Justice, ATF agents facilitated the sale of thousands of guns to Mexican drug cartels and dropped all surveillance on those weapons once they crossed the border. Those guns will be used to kill people (including Americans) for many years to come.

In fact, there is so much corruption and so many "potential terrorists" in Washington D.C. that it should be more than enough to keep law enforcement officials busy for a very long time.

So leave preppers alone.

Preppers are not a threat. They are not going to hurt anyone. They just want to store up food and prepare for the difficult times that are coming."

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To be re-booked:

Guest: Jake Shannon New Book : 'ENDonomics: The End of the United States As We Know It' and http://the-Hypnotist.com

Financial expert (M.Sc. Financial Engineering, author, and radio host). Forthcoming book 'ENDonomics' predicts the end of the United States as we know it by 2025. Co-founder of RMInsight.net. More at http://LinkedIn.com/in/jakeshannon. Expert in libertarian political theory. Current Chairman of the Libertarian Party of Utah and author. Predicted that the Tea Party movement would be co-opted by the GOP in the acclaimed 'TEA-O-CONNED: The Hijacking of Liberty in America'. Wrestling historian and Catch-As-Catch-Can expert that has written two books on the subject ('Physical Chess' and 'Say Uncle!') and toured the world teaching the sport. Left a lucrative career in quantitative finance to pursue a passion to entertain and help others with hypnosis. Author of 'The Hypnotist: Healer, Head Hacker & Headliner'.


To be re-booked: Guest: Michael Davidson, Seasoned Veteran of CIA's Clandestine Services. Suggested Topics: Spymasters Literary Guild. Did the Cold War end or did the KGB find a way to retain its power and dominate the new Russian Federation?

SPYMASTERS LITERARY GUILD and http://www.michaelrdavidson.com

Meet Michael R. Davidson:

  • Specialist on the persistent threat to US interests of Putin’s Russia
  • Seasoned veteran of the CIA’s legendary Clandestine Services with nearly 30 years of experience as a case officer and senior intelligence official at home and abroad
  • Over 17 years abroad in a variety of sensitive posts handling the most sensitive operations against the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact
  • Former Chief of Internal Operations, in charge of CIA Operations in the USSR and Eastern Europe
  • Speaks Russian, Polish, French, Spanish and German
  • Founded two private sector international consulting companies and one industrial manufacturing company. Currently provides consulting and analyses related to economic development, as well as occasional work in the security field.
Michael R. Davidson can discuss this by answering these questions:
  • What does the entry of the KGB into social networking mean for the US?
  • What benefits does the Russian Foreign Intelligence Service look to gain?
  • Why does the Intelligence Service need to monitor social networking?
  • Should US websites be on guard against these Russian Intelligence computer programs?
  • Does Russia still present a threat to the United States?

Convention to Restore the Constitution!

Friday, June 22, 2012, 4:00 PM Mountain Time. Guest: Paul Antinori, author of: Convention: To Resurrect the US Constitution.

Suggested Topic: Getting Back States' Powers and Rights from the Ever Increasing Federal Government!

Paul has noted "a dramatic shift of power from the individual states to the federal government over the years" & suggests a Convention to resurrect the Constitution! http://amendusconstitution.com

Paul Antinori Proposes to Restore Power to the States in His New Book

(Tampa, FL)- Veteran trial lawyer, Paul Antinori has witnessed a dramatic shift of power from the individual states to the federal government over the years and through his book, CONVENTION: To Resurrect The US Constitution, he lays out in great detail the issues that threaten our Constitution.

With 50 years of experience in federal and state trial courts and appellate courts across the U.S., Paul is no stranger to the law. He graduated from Georgetown Law School in 1959 and is a licensed member of the bar in Florida, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania and the District of Columbia.

In 1964 he was elected to the office of State Attorney for the 13thCircuit of Florida and successfully prosecuted high profile cases including capital crimes during his term of office.


He was admitted to the Supreme Court of the United States in 1971 and has tried complex criminal and civil cases, including maritime cases, in federal courts in Tampa, Philadelphia, Boston, and San Francisco. Paul has argued cases before federal appellate courts in New Orleans, Atlanta, Boston and Washington D.C.

His extensive relationship with the law has given him balanced perspective on the law and the U.S. Constitution and through his book he urges all State Legislators to call for a Constitutional Convention to amend key clauses to reduce the size and scope of the federal government and return local power to the sovereign States.

Paul urges that our mission should be to amend the U.S. Constitution through a Constitutional Convention. It would be the first convention since the beginning of the Republic. This convention would change the tenure of the American Government forever. By discrete amendment to the Commerce Clause, Spending Clause, Necessary and Proper Clause, and the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution, the Federal Government's power will be brought back into check, in the great spirit of Federalism, the soul of the Constitution.

This mission is outlined in his book which is packed full of carefully researched information of the laws and government action that violate the principle of limited government under the Constitution, and disregard the boundaries set forth in the Constitution; boundaries which protect the freedoms and rights guaranteed by our Constitution.

Paul's new book, CONVENTION: To Resurrect The US Constitution,will be available on Amazon.com in print or as an eBook on June 4, 2012.

For more information about Paul Antinori visit: http://amendusconstitution.com

A short Book Review by DT, Producer: Paul Antinori's book is timely, on target & an important book that points out what some of the problems have been with regards to how the Constitution is now hanging by a thread! How the founding fathers' writings still offer solutions. Plus, how the Constitution needs to be restored to original meanings after the apostate meanings and misuses that it has suffered at the hands of corrupters. One of the points is how he suggests that the Federal Gov has taken over & smashed State Rights, to a certain extent. Tempted the States with FED $, and cut it off, if the States don't go along with the Federal Gov's strings attachments. Thus, State rights through the 10th Amen., need to be restored. Other issues are covered, and as I have time, I will present them in more details. Until then, you don't want to miss this show, this coming Monday, June 11-2012, 5:00 PM, Mountain Time.

It's Past Time to Restored the Constitution to the Founding Fathers' Original Intents & Meanings!

Friday, June 22, 2012, to hear show, click this link. Guest: Paul Antinori- Author of Convention: To Resurrect the U.S. Constitution.

Suspect Nation - England's Big Brother is Watching

Suspect Nation - England's Big Brother is Watching
Click on Picture to learn how millions of Cameras are Watching the Brits, In the Name of Fighting Crime! It's happening here in the USA Too!

No More Privacy, Your Life On Line!

No More Privacy, Your Life On Line!
You Tube: The Last HOPE: Steven Rambam Keynote (1 of 2)

Is The Big EYE on You? Is Big Brother Watching Too?

Tues. May 1, 2012, guest: Ron Keller.
Topic: Big Brother is Watching! Are Americans being Spied On By Americans? By Big Government Agencies? If so! Why?
See also DVD, a must see!
Check out the Blog too, so you can know what to do!

1984 by George Orwell, (BBC Television's live production of George Orwell's "1984". Produced in 1954). It's a fictional futuristic look at a time when the all powerful State controls many aspects of life & keeps an eye on everyone! Thus, the term, "Big Brother" is watching.

On You Tube, see also:
Shadow Government 2009 Grant Jeffrey Alex Jones Katherine Albrecht Danny Estulin G Edward Griffin (Big Brother Is Watching Issues).

See also on You Tube: Blueprint of Madmen (Full Length Documentary HD) New World Order Agenda 2012 Exposed
by Alex Jones, Infowars.com. A comical, but also serious look at Governments' peaking into privacy in the name of protecting us. See also: Globalists' Predictions of Forced Population Control = Mass Murders - DT 1-3-2011.

Here's what Globalist, Robert Strange McNamara, (Former World Bank President), says in 1984, about global population "crisis," "problem": "And I predict if we continue as we are, by the end of this century, there will be ahh, wide spread adoption of coercive policies, national coercive policies restricting the FREEDOM of individual ahh, leading for example [to] forced sterilization, restricting movements royal to urban areas! And stimulating what I call 'brutal family practices,' high rates of abortion! And high rates of female infamicide! That's what lie ahead of us; that's what lies ahead of the world, unless we ahh deal with more effectively with this problem!"
(Former US Defense Secretary, & former World Bank President, Robert Strange McNamara, about 1984, on commenting about how he was involved with the International Conference on Population, Mexico City, Aug. 6-14. 1984. He said on a radio show, hosted by one Michael Jackson, (not the pop singer): That to solve the "crisis" & "problems" of increased world population, they'll eventually have to resort to "coercive policies," that will take away many of our individual freedoms!)

"Better Red Than Dead"? Better well Read, Than Dead!

Many have heard the old slogan: "Better Red than Dead!" This basically meant, that it would be better to become communists, or RED, under their military might, than have them smash America by their military might, and kill us all in a blood bath slaughter type war against communism! Thus, the faulty reasoning, that it would be better to become Red, or Communistic, than dead, or killed by them. What nonsense!

How about this slogan: "Better Well Read, Than Dead!" In other words, do some research! Get informed! Study the constitution & up-hold it! Find out, by reading all the good patriotic books you can, etc., about what is going on in the USA, and the world! Find out who has sold US out, & why! Who is taking away our freedoms, and what we should do about it!


Suggested reading:

Paul Antinori, Esq. Convention To Resurrect The U.S. Constitution.

Darell Thorpe, Endangered Species: Humanity - Evidences of Secret Combinations Seeking to Reduce World Population and Enslave the Globe for their New World Order!

Antony C. Sutton, America's Secret Establishment: An Introduction to the Order of Skull & Bones (1983, 1986, 2002)

Rev. Lindsey Williams, his books & lectures: To Seduce A Nation; The None Energy Crisis; Syndrome of Control

Larry Abraham, Call It Conspiracy, (Seattle, Washington: Double A Publications, 1985).

Alex Jones, End Game

Jerreld L. Newquist, Prophets, Principles and National Survival, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Publishers Press, 1964).

Carl A. Raschke, Painted Black, (New York, New York: Harper Paperbacks, 1990).

LDS Apostle, Ezra Taft Benson, BYU Devotional talk, Vietnam - Victory or Surrender, (Provo, Utah: Brigham Young University, Electronic Media Department, Recording Operations Section/ Room E-366 HFAC; BYU, Tape K1389. Benson mentions Joseph Smith's prophecy about the Constitution hanging by a thread & said that the prophet at that time said that we are near that time. See: Prophecies In Light of Historical & Current Events: Prophecies Coming to Pass?! A Look at Prophecies & their Possible Coming to Pass in Light of Historical Evidences & Current Events! DT 3-14-2011, scroll down to: Prophecies that Warn that the USA's Government & Constitution Would "Hang by a Thread! See also: You Tube, Antony C. Sutton lectures & presentations. He warns about secret combinations, the One World Government & New World Order being sought by globalists. See also link lists on Topix: Why Aren't All Nations Free? Freedom Should Be For Free!

John Robison, A.M., Proofs Of A Conspiracy, 1798, Against All The Religions And Governments Of Europe, Carried On In The Secret Meetings Of Free Masons, Illuminati, (New York: George Forman, 1798, republished: Boston; Los Angeles: Western Islands, The Americanist Classics, 1967).

Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy, (Rossmoor, California: Concord Press, 1971 & 1972).

Gary Allen, The Rockefeller File, (Seal Beach, California: '76 Press, 1976).

Allen, "Who They Are, The Conspiracy to Destroy America," American Opinion (October 1972).

Gary H. Kah, En Route to Global Occupation, A High Ranking Government Liaison Exposes the Secret Agenda for World Unification, (Lafayette, Louisiana: Huntington House Publishers, 1991).

Peter Collier and David Horowitz, The Rockefellers, An American Dynasty, (New York, New York:A Signet Book, New American Library, Time Mirror, 1976).

Robert W. Lee, The United Nations Conspiracy, (Boston; Los Angeles: Western Islands Publishers, 1981).

Arthur M. Schlesinger, Jr., The Age of Roosevelt, The Crisis Of The Old Order, 1919--1933,(Cambridge, Massachusetts: The Riverside Press, Houghton Mifflin Company Boston, 1964).

James Burnham, The Web of Subversion, (Boston and Los Angeles: Western Islands, The AmericanLibrary, 1954).

John A. Stormer, None Dare Call It Treason, (Florissant, Missouri: Liberty Bell Press, 1964).

Stormer, The Death of a Nation, (Florissant, Missouri: Liberty Bell Press, 1968).

Dan Smoot, The Invisible Government, (Dallas, Texas: The Dan Smoot Report, Inc., 1962).

Christian Pastor, Chuck Smith, What in the World is Happening? (Salt Lake City, Utah: Fire Fighters For Christ, tape #1240).

W. Cleon Skousen, The Naked Communist, (Salt Lake City, Utah: The Ensign Publishing Company, 1958, 1960, & 1961).

Conspiracy Theories: Fact or Faulty?

The Rise of Unions, Super States with in the One World Government that Globalists Seek!

Globalists' Time Line of Events of Secret Combinations' Works Towards their "New World Order!"

Globalists' Predictions of Forced Population Control = Mass Murders

Remembering the Price of Freedom

USA'$ & the World Court'$ Pri$on Indu$trial Complex - July 4th Warning!

Dan Smoot - The Invisible Government - 1962 Classic - Commentary, Notes & Links by JMJ on Topix 9-18-2008, Edited here by DT 7-23-2011


Latter-Day Conservative - God, Family, Faith, Freedom, Peace

Vince Wade. The Chinafication of America.

R. M. Whitney, Reds in America, (Boston & LA: Western Islands, 1924, Beckwith Press, republished by Western Islands, 1970).

Jerome R. Corsi, Ph.D, America For Sale, Fighting the New World Order, Surviving a Global Depression, and Preserving USA Sovereignty, (New York, London, Toronto, Sydney, Threshold Editions, 2009).

Mark R. Levin, Men In Black, How the Supreme Court is Destroying America, (Washington DC: Regnery Publishing, Inc., 2005).

Evidences of Book of Mormon's, LDS Prophets' & Apostles' Prophetic Warnings About "Secret Combinations" In the Last Days! Seeing World Orders Hidden in the Mosaics of World History

Bibliography to New World Money Order$

You Tube: Justin Martyr Jr Play Lists, Political, Polemical, Protective, Musical Publisher

You Tube, Historical Documentary: New World Money Orders, Coup to Kill & Cover Up JFK Murder

You Tube, extensive play list to documentaries about: "Threats to Freedom: New World Order, World Gov"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Bill_of_Rights

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html

BLOG: RESTORED APOLOGETIC

Books on the New World Order

More links to link lists on the NWO

Craig B. Hulet's Warning over Global Regime

Antony C. Sutton see links to on line works
Antony C. Sutton, Febl 14, 1925 - June 17, 2002
Sutton's 3 books: Western Technology & Soviet Economic Development: 1917-1930 (1968 vol. 1); 1930-1945, (1971 vol. 2); 1945-1965, (1973 vol. 3).
Sutton, National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union, (1973).
Sutton: What Is Libertarianism? (1973)
Sutton: The War on Gold: How to Profit from the Gold Crisis (1977)
Sutton: Energy: the Created Crisis (1979)
Sutton: Trilaterals Over Washington - Vol. 1 (1979; with Patrick M. Wood); Vol. 2: 1980 with Patrick Wood.Sutton: Gold vs Paper: A cartoon history of inflation (1981)
Sutton: Technological Treason: A catalog of U.S. firms with Soviet contracts, 1917-1982 (1982)
Sutton: How the Order Creates War & Revolution (1985)
Sutton: The Two Faces of George Bush (1988)
Sutton: Cold Fusion: Secret Energy Revolution (1977)

Gary E. McCuen, A New World Order And Military Intervention, (Hudson, Wisconsin: GEM Publications (GEM = Gary E. McCuen), 1992), pp. 10-30.

William T. Still, 1990, New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, (Lafayette, Louisiana: Huntington House Publishers), pp. 21-54.

Constance Combey, 1983, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow, (Lafayette, Louisiana: Huntington House Publishers), pp. 15-18, 26-27, & 44-135.

Merrill Cook, 4-5-2010 on KTKK 630 AM radio, K-Talk, warns how the FED, & globalists' agendas are pushing for a World Order.

The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis, by Bill Moyers

Topix, link list: Why Aren't All Nations Free? Freedom Should Be For Free!

Topix, link list: Constitution is Hanging by a Thread, Joseph Smith was Right!

Who Killed the Electric Car?

sprword.com Spread The Word

Bill Gertz, The China Threat, How The People's Republic Targets America,(Washington D.C.: Regnery Pub., 2000.

William Greider, Secrets of the Temple, How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country, (New York, London, Toronto, Sydney: Simon & Schuster Paperbacks, 1987).

Alan Greenspan, The Age of Turbulence, Adventures In a New World, (New York: The Penguin Press, 2007), Greenspan was chairmen of the FED.

Mr. Cox, Casper Weinberger, Kenneth deGraffenreid, The Cox Report, The Unanimous & Bipartisan Report of the House Select Committee on U.S. National Security & Military Commercial Concerns with The People's Republic of China,(Washington D.C: Regnery Pub. 1999

David B. Funderburk, Former Ambassador to Romania, Betrayal of America, Bush's Appeasement of Communist Dictators Betrays American Principles,(The Larry McDonald Foundation, 1991

Douglas A. McMay, Drug War Facts, www.drugwarfacts.org

Cliff Kincaid, Global Bondage, The U.N. Plan to Rule the World.

Eric Shawn, The U.N. Exposed, How The United Nations Sabotages America's Security, And Fails the World.

David B. Funderburk, Former Ambassador to Romania, Betrayal of America, Bush's Appeasement of Communist Dictators Betrays American Principles.

Robert Greenwald, Unconstitutional, The War on Our Civil Liberties

J. Reuben Clark, Jr., Stand Fast By Our Constitution

Historical video documentary: The Great War Byker, Akcet Production, aired on KBYU, TV channel 11, July 1998).

Gary E. McCuen, A New World Order And Military Intervention,(Hudson, Wisconsin: GEM Publications (GEM = Gary E. McCuen), 1992.

William T. Still, 1990, New World Order: The Ancient Plan of Secret Societies, Lafayette, Louisiana: Huntington House Pub.

Fabian Socialist H.G. Wells, The Open Conspiracy: Blue Prints for a World Revolution (1928).

William Guy Car, Red Fog Over America.

Jim Marrs Journalist out of Texas, THE TERROR CONSPIRACY
Jim Marrs web site

Rodney Strich, Drugging America, A Trojan Horse

Dope Inc. - Britain's Opium War against the U.S.

Henry A. Kissinger Telephone Conversation Transcripts (Telcons)

President David O. McKay's Official Mormon Church Blessing of Skousen's book, The Naked Communist.

In 1962 LDS General Conference, McKay recommended that members of the Church avail themselves of Skousen’s book, The Naked Communist, declaring:

“I admonish everybody to read that excellent book of [former FBI agent and then-Salt Lake City Police] Chief Skousen’s.”

David O. McKay, “Preach the Word,” Improvement Era, 62 [December 1959], p. 912: In his officially Mormon-blessed book, Skousen warned readers to be on the alert against a worldwide Marxist revolution dedicated to: ". . . “the total annihilation of all opposition, the downfall of all existing governments, all economies and all societies,” through the creation of “a regimented breed of Pavlovian men whose minds could be triggered into immediate action by signals from their masters.”

Skousen, at Brigham Young University, urged concerned parents: “We should not sit back and wait for our boys and girls to be indoctrinated with materialistic dogma and thereby make themselves vulnerable to a Communist conversion when they are approached by the agents of force and fear who come from across the sea.” (W. Cleon Skousen, The Naked Communist [Salt Lake City, Utah: Ensign Publishing Company, 1958], pp. 2, 377-378).

Recent shows you'll want to hear!

Wednesday, July 11, 2012, Guest: Dr. Frank Romano, author of Love and Terror in the Middle East. Topic: Romano's efforts to promote understanding, communication and cooperation in the region among Jews, Muslims, Christians & non-believers. His quest for peace in this troubled region, know as the Middle East. www.frankromano-lt.com

Obama Care Crushing Small Business?

Christy Vogel, Tues. 12-4-12, 3PM Mountain, 5 EST - Avoiding Obama Care- What Companies are doing! Small Companies forced to reduce full timers to part, or hire more part timers!
http://marketingdirection.com
Christy Vogel, Sales and Marketing Expert.

Rescent Shows & Guests

Monday, 8-27-2012, Guest: Peter Greenlaw, ISAGENIX. What is ISAGENIX? Listen in here too.

Thursday, 8-23-2012, 5-7 PM Mountain Time.
Returning guest: Bryan Turner of JBS, local chapter.
Suggested topics: More up-dates on Threats to Freedoms.
Current threats to Freedom, that all Americans should know about!

Recently we had on:

Wed. Aug. 1, 2012, 4 PM, click this link to hear: Returning Guest: John McManus, President of the John Birch Society = JBS.

Suggested topics: What the JBS' research has found out are some of the biggest threats to freedom & what Americans can do about it! Offering examples of what JBS Knows Threatens Our Freedoms the Most!

We only scratched the surface of this, so we hope that Bryan will continue on with helping us understand what the JBS research shows are some of the greatest threats to our freedoms!

Stop Obama Care!

Agenda 21 Highland Utah Presentation!

Stop Agenda 21!


2016: Obama's america
2016 Love Him - Hate Him - Do You Know Him- (Trailer).

Watch 2016 now on line, click here to see movie!

See also: The Obama Deception!

Fall of the Republic!

End Game!


"JBS CEO Arthur R. Thompson introduces the Stop Agenda 21 action project and shows how the UN’s Local Agenda 21 program may already be in your local community, through your home town or city’s membership in ICLEI – Local Governments for Sustainability. Agenda 21 seeks for the government to curtail your freedom to travel as you please, own a gas-powered car, live in suburbs or rural areas, and raise a family. Furthermore, it would eliminate your private property rights through eminent domain. Agenda 21 can be stopped at the local level by organizing and informing others to encourage local government officials to end their community’s membership in ICLEI and to repeal any of the Agenda 21-related "sustainable development" laws and ordinances they have enacted." JBS Exposes The United Nations' Agenda 21.

AGENDA 21 also sounds like what Robert Strange McNamara, former World Banker President said on the radio about 1984:

Here's what Robert Strange McNamara, (Former World Bank President), says in 1984, about global population "crisis," "problem": "And I predict if we continue as we are, by the end of this century, there will be ahh, wide spread adoption of coercive policies, national coercive policies restricting the FREEDOM of individual ahh, leading for example [to] forced sterilization, restricting movements royal to urban areas! And stimulating what I call 'brutal family practices,' high rates of abortion! And high rates of female infamicide! [infanticide?] That's what lie ahead of us; that's what lies ahead of the world, unless we ahh deal with more effectively with this problem!" (Source: Former US Defense Secretary, & former World Bank President, Robert Strange McNamara, about 1984, on commenting about how he was involved with the International Conference on Population, Mexico City, Aug. 6-14. 1984. He said on a radio show, hosted by one Michael Jackson, (not the pop singer): That to solve the "crisis" & "problems" of increased world population, they'll eventually have to resort to "coercive policies," that will take away many of our individual freedoms!) From:
Globalists' Predictions of Forced Population Control = Mass Murders - DT 1-3-2011).

Friday, 8-24-2012, 5-7 PM Mountain Time, click this link to hear returning Guest, Timothy Ballard, (Recent guest on Glen Beck's show).
Tim's second book is out & he is in the Utah area to do book signings for The Covenant, One Nation Under God. You don't want to miss this show & must read his books, they are great insights into America's God centered beginnings!

Timothy Ballard - The American Covenant

Timothy Ballard - The American Covenant
The Divine Hand of Protection & Influence Upon the Founding Fathers of USA

Tim Ballard, The American Covenant, was Mills' Guest Wed. 8-31-2011, 3:30-5

Tim talked about interesting stories that challenged some listeners to take another look at God's hand in the making of this Nation!

Timothy Ballard, The American Covenant (Series)

Timothy Ballard, The American Covenant (Series)
Tim will be signing his books, his new one, The Covenant, One Nation Under God, which will be mentioned during the show.

Darell Thorpe, Associate Producer's Comments on Tim's The American Covenant

Wednesday, Dec. 7, 2011, 70 Years later to the day when Pearl Harbor's USA Navy & other places were bombed by Japanese war planes; Mills had as guest, Timothy Ballard, again. His books get into Military victories, & the miracles performed by the Almighty to bring about freedom in America. His book series: The American Covenant, One Nation Under God, Discovery Through Revolution, (Vol. 1), is an interesting read to those who want to read about what you don't get to read about in the modern school history books, because such things are being left out, for some reason! His volume 2 is coming out in about 2 weeks, entitled: The American Covenant, One Nation Under God, The Constitution, the Civil War and Our Fight to Preserve the Covenant Today. Tim was Mills' guest back in Wed. 8-31-2011, click link to hear archived show!

(Darell Thorpe, Producer's note: I finished reading the first volume & it's a must read for those interested in some of the miracles & other stories that you don't hear about now days. Why didn't we read or hear about these things in school? You now can find out what happened during the Revolutionary war, the miracles that are documented by Tim, from old journals, letters, & talks of those early days! How the hand of God was acknowledged as preserving & helping America gain her freedoms!)

Darell Thorpe, Producer: When I first met Timothy Ballard, back in Aug. 2011, during a book fair, I was impressed by the good spirit that I felt from him. I discerned that he had interesting stories to tell. So I interviewed him & learned about his first volume of The American Covenant. As a fellow researcher, writer & student of different types of histories, I felt like America's founding fathers' histories were areas that I lacked knowledge in. Oh sure, I've read many books on American history, & about the American Revolution, & even done radio shows about them too; but there were somethings missing, which I didn't know were missing! It turns out that Tim was able to present things that brought back memories of things I've read years ago, but also stories that I've never heard about. Thus, I became more interested the more we talked & considered each others' notes. I bought his book from his publisher, Boyd Tuttle of Digital Legend, & as soon as it came in the mail, I started reading the first volume. The more I read, the more impressed I was with the sources, & other aspects of early American history that; for some reasons, I didn't get in school, and sad to say, even in the many different college classes that I took that were said to cover "American History" too!


I went to an earlier presentation that Tim gave in Salt Lake City, Utah, in Fall 2011 & filmed it; & again I learned more about the miracles & the interesting stories that took place to help bring about our freedoms here in America! Clearly God's hand is credited by the founding fathers, in helping to bring about religious freedom, the Constitution & the restoration of the American Covenant.

These Questions are answered in Tim's Books:

Why did Christopher Columbus passionately believe that his discovery of the New World would lead to a restoration of God's holy temple?

What did the early settlers know about the Restoration, and why did they call themselves the "New Israel?"

What did George Washington know about American prophecies connected to the House of Israel?

Why did Lincoln seek out a Book of Mormon during the darkest days of the civil war?

I might add these questions, as I read Tim's book:

Why haven't we read or heard about these miracles in school? How different storms & other miraculous weather conditions seemed to have appeared out of no where, to help save George Washington's armies, from time to time?

Why was George Washington not killed by gun fire, even though two horses were shot from underneath him, & he had evidence of being hit by gun fire in his clothing?

What of the vision of the future of America that George Washington was given?

What of the American Covenant & the restoration of it? Why do we find hand clasping covenants in both early to later Christian art works & ancient American works? Hand clasping being the traditional ways to seal contracts & covenants, & oaths of homage that earlier Knights, Earls, Barons & Lords would perform before militant Christian Kings, to covenant to fight & defend the Church & the Christian Kings' earthly kingdoms. Which hand clasping covenants, symbols & signs were passed down from historic Christian mysteries to later masonry, which George Washington & other founding fathers were a part of.

Why has the school systems in modern America taken out of the history books, or not included, how the "hand of God," is credited by many founding fathers, as being the protective power behind the gaining of our freedoms?

These, and many more questions, you'll find answers in hearing the presentations & in hearing the radio shows, the one archived, & the one to be aired on Dec. 7, 2011, Wednesday, starting 5:00 PM, Mountain Time. You do NOT want to miss these shows & this presentation & miss out on reading this up-lifting & insightful series, by Timothy Ballard, The American Covenant.

Monday, August 6, 2012, 4:30 PM, Click this link to hear,
Guest: Frank Wuco -Intelligence Expert. Suggested topics: Obama's Endorsement of Islamic Extremism. Also: An insider's view of the severe damage caused to national security by unauthorized disclosure of classified and compartmented programs to media by White House insiders. And: Iran's leadership, military, and nuclear weapons programs, and the Iranian Islamic Revolution. Islamic motivated violence and Islamic global views and goals. Wuco is also an expert in the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt; its history, purpose, goals, and worldview.


See: http://www.970wfla.com/pages/frankwuco.html , on Facebook at www.facebook.com/frankwucoradio and on Twitter @frankwuco.

Tuesday, August 7, 2012, 4:00 PM Click link to hear, guest:

Matt Bruce, Nationally Syndicated Talk Show Host and Radio Voice of the Tea Party.
Proud Member Of "The Patriot Talking 100"...

Member: "The Conservative Talk Radio Network"...

Member: Stand Up America US "Kitchen Cabinet"...

Host: "The Captain's AMERICA" & "Troop Talk Radio" Shows...


Military & Political Pundit - ‘American-Conservative-Independent’...


Check out our Radio Show Podcast 24/7 at: http://thecaptainsamerica.podomatic.com...
Heard Weekends Across America On More Than 100 Radio Stations & Syndicated By Phoenix Broadcasting Network. Go to: http://thecaptainsamerica.talkspot.com/
Matt Bruce is also a:

· National Radio Host

· Recipient of the Fire Department's Highest Award for Bravery, "The Medal of Valor," awarded for actions above and beyond the call of duty

· A Vietnam Veteran and retired Fire-Rescue Captain whom was injured in the line of duty

· A First Responder to the attacks of September 11th, 2001 at the World Trade Center

· A former Town Tax Assessor who helped roll back taxes in his Hometown during the 80's that eventually increased tax rolls through new building and development in the process.

Monday, 4-22-2013, Long Awaited & Requested 911 Debate Show Airs Today!

2013 0422 911 PROF STEVEN JONES, MARTIN TANNER 3 HRS.mp3
The 911 Show airs today! This long awaited, often requested debate on 911 issues, will air today, Monday, 4-22-2013, 3-6PM Mountain Time. Dr. Steven Jones will present his case, which will be discussed and countered by Martin Tanner & Mills Crenshaw (host). Callers are invited to call in with pro or con points about the 911 drama. As most Americans and the world knows, on 9-11-2001, in New York and other places in the Eastern states, planes slammed into the twin towers of the World Trade Center, the two towers fell down, then later building 7, not hit by a plane, also fell. Other events that surround this tragic event have been questioned by many family members of the victims killed. Questions also come from many researchers, scientists, engineers, explosive experts; reporters, investigators and many others, who question the 911 Commission Report. Some of these questions and observations are as follows, and are ones which Martin & Mills will have to deal with, as they might be brought up by Dr. Jones & callers:

9-11 issues & questions:

1. Because history shows that other governments have used different crisis after another to pass acts, bills and legislate freedoms away. Why couldn't corrupt politicians have used 911 to bring about The Patriot Act too?

Case in point: The Burning of the Reich Stag, 2-27-33, where Hitler used this to pass the Reich Stag Fire Decree, which took away many civil liberties, followed by other acts that banned & suppressed anti-Nazi publications, etc.

2. Prior knowledge of a coming 911. Sept. 2000, A Report of The Project for the New America Century, Dick Cheney, Donalds Rumsfelt, Paul Wolfawits, and Jeb Bush, said that major changes wouldn't be as fast coming, without a "new Pearl Harbor" type of major event. So, many think that 911 was that event, which was used to bring about the Patriot Act, rushed through into law, most of it not even read by Congress.


2001-2009, Vice President, Richard "Dick" Cheney, is said to have gotten NORAD, (North American Aerospace Defense Command), the air defense system, to stand down, during 911. Before 911, the power to send up planes was in the hands of the Generals, but then for a short period of time, it was re-written to be in the power of Dick Cheney to make the orders.

Transportation Secretary, Norman Mateda, tells how Dick Cheney responded to a young man who kept telling of how close the planes were. When 5 miles out, the man asked if “the orders still stand?” Cheney told him they did. What were the orders? Many suggest that they were to keep defense planes down. If so, why?

So why were the defensive planes not protecting the country like they normally do?

These types of events are said to be used to pass bills & acts that take away civil liberties. Be they ones that were done on purpose, or ones the powers that be take advantage of.

Case in point: Rahm Emanuel, Never let a good crisis go to waste.

3. Prior knowledge of 911?

A. Warnings of the eve of the attack.
B. Insight trading before 911
C. Carlyle Group- Bush/Ben Laden Connections.
E. Creating a cause to rally the masses for a war, took planning.

Once there are reasons and a cause, going to war is more acceptable to the masses willing to trade their freedoms for security.* Those who have prior knowledge of the game plan can then cash in on the government war contracts that become very profitable to those on the inside government contract deals!

* "If you look through history, you see that societies which have been willing to trade freedom for the illusion of security, simply end up with less freedom, and not more security." (Wayne LaPierre, Guns Freedom and Terrorism, (Nashville: WND Books, A Division of Thomas Nelson, Inc., 2003), X, Forward: Interview By Rush Limbaugh, with LaPierre, published in the July 2002 edition of The Limbaugh Letter).

You Tube: The Iron Triangle - The Carlyle Group.

4. Were there prior preparations to bring buildings down, the twin towers and building 7?

5. Prior power outages to creation security breaches?

Scott Forbes tells of power downs, in the Towers, before 911.

6. Video cameras caught Truck coming early morning hours, days before 911. What were they doing? Some suggest that these trucks were bringing explosives and other things to get the towers ready for controlled demolitions.

7. 9-10-11, Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, admits 2.3 trillion dollars came up missing from the Pentagon's funds. Moreover, investigations of corruption, money scams, etc., were under way, offices for such, in one of the towers, Building 7, and the area hit in the Pentagon. Other buildings and offices that housed investigations against corporate & government corruptions, were alleged to have been destroyed too.

Black 911: Money, Motive, Technology, and Plausible Deniability.

8. Footage of cars burnt out, after buildings fell. Suggesting enough heat in the cloud to burn out cars? Heat being said to be a signature of Thermite. Witnesses also talked about how hot the dust clouds were too.

9. Dust left all over the place has been suggested is evidence of explosives blasting the cement into power.

10. Witnesses tell of multiple explosions. Example 1. Example 2. Example 3. Example 4. Example 5.

Barry Jennings testified of explosions, while trying to get out of building 7. Was he murdered later for his witness statements?

In the above examples: Numerous fire and police officers testified of hearing bombs going off at lower levels in towers. Some encountered people burnt and bloody from blasts, some dead bodies too, were noted on lower levels. Explosions in basement areas reported. Wouldn’t these suggest prior planning & bomb settings?

11. Flows of melting metal on the corner of one of the towers. Could this suggest the use of thermite melting the supporting metal beams.

12. Beams cut at an angle are said to be the angles used to cut beams with thermite, to weaken supporting beams to bring down buildings for controlled demolitions.

13. Prof. Steve Jones testified of evidences of thermite in the dust of the buildings of 911.

http://stj911.org/

http://stj911.org/blog/events/

911 Dr. Steven Jones Presentation.

14. Security was pulled, bomb sniffing dogs pulled, power black outs and other security issues have suggested to some that prior gaps in security were needed for plotters to move in the areas they needed to get at in order to plant explosives, paint on thermite, etc.

15. Larry Silverstein, lease holder for Building 7, told of "pulling" the building, a controlled demolition term. Thus some suggest this shows prior plans to bring down this building too, like the towers.

16. Why were numerous anti-terrorist training scenarios going on the same day as 911. Such as Vigilant Guardian, etc.

17. There is alleged to have been no other buildings to have fallen down, due to fires. So how did the towers fall so fast & building 7, if fires weakened them, as claimed by official report?

18. Why didn’t the 911 Commission Report deal with building 7?

19. Why was the 911 crime scene & evidences destroyed, and the iron rubble shipped off to China, instead of being tested, investigated and processed?

20. Photo & video evidences suggest the buildings were blown to dust, with beams be ejected out.

21. Before 911: Why is there no other examples of steel framed buildings falling down, due to fires?

22. Numerous witnesses testified of a dark military type plane hitting the second tower, rather than a commercial air liner. Where is the evidences a commercial air liner hit the 2nd tower?

23. 911 Motives: Was 911 used as an excuse to take away civil liberties through the Patriot Act and other bills rushed through?

Was it done to get rid of investigations into the corruption going on in Government by certain officials? Such as the 2.3 trillion that came up missing from the Pentagon? Plus other investigations that were filed in the Pentagon and Building 7? Was 911 the “new Pearl Harbor,” needed to feed the Military Industrial Complex, that President, Dwight Eisenhower, 1-17-1961, warned could take away our freedoms? Could get us into more prolonged wars so that those with weapons contracts, etc., could make billions?

Was it done to get control of the poppy & oil fields in the Middle East? For Drugs and Oil?

24. Why are those who question the official story vilified?

The Pentagon Questions:

A 14' by 16' hole? Why did such a hole in the Pentagon not fit the alleged plane size of a 757?

8600 Gallons of Jet fuel of a 757: Why wasn’t there a bigger fire ball than that which is shown on the photos released?

80-90 cameras covering Pentagon? Where’s the footage? Why was film footage taken by the FBI of the surrounding cameras of the Pentagon?

Why is there photos of wooden desk, an open book, not burned, in pictures of the hole?

What happened to the two massive 757 plane engines?

Flight 77: Where’s the plane, where’s the parts?


Bibliography and sources:

The Power Hour Radio.

9-11 Debate, Loose Change, Jason Bermas vs Popular Mechanics.

911- Loose Change, An American Coup.

Why We Fight (A Film by Eugene Jarecki).

911- Blueprint for Truth The Architecture of Destruction (2008).

911 Exposed.

911 and War by Deception (April 2013)

9/11: Explosive Evidence - Experts Speak Out

Black 9/11: Money, Motive, Technology, and Plausible Deniability.

911 Truth: Hollywood Speaks Out.

http://www.debunking911.com/jones.htm

Alex Jones Warns of Banksters' Economic Wars & Crash!

Alex Jones Warns of Banksters' Economic Wars & Crash!
You Tube: Alex Jones, U.S BANKS told to PREPARE for Total FINANCIAL COLLAPSE. Staged

END GAME - Blue Print for Global Government

END GAME - Blue Print for Global Government
A Must See Documentary - New World Order - Global Government ! By Alex Jones (Click on picture to see).

Housing Loan Deals For Fat Cats In Politics During Housing Crisis!

As Big Bad Wolfs Blew Down Houses During Housing Crisis! Fat Cats in Politics Got Loan Deals!

As Big Bad Wolfs Blew Down Houses During Housing Crisis! Fat Cats in Politics Got Loan Deals!
Click on Picture to Hear Show about Politicians
Getting Housing Loans in Exchange for Political Influences

While the Big Bad Wolf Huffs, Puffs & Blows Houses Down! Politicians Get Housing Deals!

Thursday, July 19, 2012, Click link to hear, Guest: Stuart Vener, National Real Estate and Mortgage Expert. Suggested topics: The House of Representative Oversight & Government Reform's Report that exposes, how, during the on going Housing Crisis: Discounted Loans & Preferential Treatment were given to Congress & their Staff members, by Countrywide Mortgages and Bank of America in exchange for influence inside Washington D.C. http://realtycrisis.com/ See also: http://mediaproductions.tv/media/stuartv.pdf

Pres. John McManus, John Birch Society, returns to KTKK

Wed. Aug. 1, 2012, 4 PM, click this link to hear: Returning Guest: John McManus, President of the John Birch Society = JBS.
Suggested topics: What the JBS' research has found out are some of the biggest threats to freedom & what Americans can do about it! Offering examples of what JBS Knows Threatens Our Freedoms the Most!

Thurs. 2-23-2012, John Brich Society Pres. John F. McManus warns of New World Order

Thurs. 2-23-2012, John Brich Society Pres. John F. McManus warns of New World Order
Click photo to hear: John F. McManus, warns & give us up-dates about Globalists' agendas & plans for a New World Order!

John Birch Society

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John F. Kennedy Assassination - 50 Years Later!

Thur. 5-31-12, 5:00 PM Mountain Time. Click this link to hear the show! Guests: Lisa & Dave, - L.D.C. Fitzgerald- JFK Novelists / Experts on JFK Assassination.
Book: Destination Dealey, Countdown to the Kennedy Conspiracy.

Website: www.DestinationDealey.com
Blog: www.ldcfitzgerald.com
YouTube Channel: www.youtube.com/user/LDCFitzgerald?ob=0&feature=results_main

Guests to talk about the historical research into the conspiracy that assassinated President John F. Kennedy. Yes, there was a conspiracy, & the historical elements & different aspects of that conspiracy have been blended into the fictional story. JFK conspiracy researchers; science & spy novel readers will enjoy this page turner of a book that takes the reader back to Destination Dealey, Countdown to the Kennedy Conspiracy!

About the Book: A mission impossible type jump back into time to save humanity from a fictional 1964 nuke war between USA & Russia. This fictional version of the Kennedy Assassination, is cloaked & spiced in clever fragments of actual history that captures the reader. The consequences of a KGB assassination attempt on John F. Kennedy, results in Jackie Kennedy's accidental death. JFK's fictional reactions to his wife's death sums up to a 50 year long war between USA & Russia. Thus, in 2013, when scientists discover time travel is possible, a mission to save Jackie is formed, thinking that this will prevent that war. The time travel space ship Tempus Orbis is invented, & Team Orbis is formed; consisting of 5 scientists, 1 reporter-historian, 1 former astronaut, & 1 retired Secret Service agent. Their destination, to travel back in time from 2013 to Dealey Plaza on Elm Street in Dallas Texas, 1963. Find out the historical & interesting ending that grips the reader to the very last page to find out how this drama ends!

Producer's note: I just finished this book today, Thursday, May 31, 2012. It was a page turner! Historians, Science fiction & spy novel readers will enjoy this novel. I hope L.D. C. Fitzgerald keeps the same characters from this story going, by making a series! (DT, Producer for Drive Time Live; Also helped with research, music, etc, for the historical documentary: New World Money Orders, Coup to Kill & Cover Up JFK Murder.)

Other JFK Shows & Links

Earlier radio show & documentary to also check out: Was there a coup to Murder John F. Kennedy by Lyndon Johnson? Then a cover up? 4-26-2012, Thursday, Fred Tyler Newcomb, talks about his father's book written by Fred T. Newcomb and Perry Adams, Murder From Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot against President Kennedy. (Exploring the questions: Did Lyndon Johnson Conspire to Assassinate Pres. John F. Kennedy? Was there a Coup? Was there a cover up, that there was a Coup?).

A Must See on You Tube: New World Money Orders, Coup to Kill & Cover Up JFK Murder

Thur. 5-31-12, 5:00 PM Mountain Time. Guests: Lisa & Dave, - L.D.C. Fitzgerald- JFK Novelists

Thur. 5-31-12, 5:00 PM Mountain Time. Guests: Lisa & Dave, - L.D.C. Fitzgerald- JFK Novelists
WOW! Time Travel! Mission Impossible Drama, check out the book: Destination Dealey, Countdown to the Kennedy Conspiracy

JFK Lancer Productions & Publications- Click on Pictures, They're Links!

JFK Lancer Productions & Publications- Click on Pictures, They're Links!
Don't Miss Thursday, April 26th, 2012, 5:00 PM Mountain Time. Guest: Fred Tyler Newcomb, son of author of the book: Murder From Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot against President Kennedy.

Was there a coup to Murder John F. Kennedy by Lyndon Johnson? Then a cover up?

4-26-2012, Thursday, Fred Tyler Newcomb, talks about his father's book written by Fred T. Newcomb and Perry Adams, Murder From Within: Lyndon Johnson's Plot against President Kennedy. (Exploring the questions: Did Lyndon Johnson Conspire to Assassinate Pres. John F. Kennedy? Was there a Coup? Was there a cover up, that there was a Coup?).

Obamanation Administration's Obamacare: Is It Obamadon'tcare?

The Obamanation Administration's Obamacare: Is It Obamadontcare? Is this Socialized Big Government Health Care Plan Just Another Power Grab? Another huge tax? Can Big Government effectively Run Health Care? How much will this Cost the US tax payers? Will it add to the National Debt? Why are our elected leaders pushing this? Do some of them stand to bank off of the funds collected? These are just a few questions that I wonder about. Here's some links that might answer some of these issues, questions & of which I hope will offer information to consider.

6-28-2012, Martin Tanner, sitting in for Mills Crenshaw, Supreme Court's Decision Upholding Obamacare as a Valid Tax!


Text of the Supreme Court Decision, October Term, 2011, Argued March 26-28, 2012. Decided June 28, 2012.

Alex Breaks Down What's Really in Stalinist-like "Obamacare" on The Alex Jones Sunday Edition - Part 1, Part 2; Part 3;
Part 4; Part 5; Part 6; Part 7; Part 8.

Text of the Obamacare ruling and Bill, October Term, 2011.

Text in the ObamaCare Bill (HR3200).

Horrors in the ObamaCare Bill - by Eric Farris, JD.

Do You Want What's In This Bill? Some of things Mentioned that You Should Know About!

Obamacare Unconstitutional?

Obamacare Propaganda Exposed! Why were millions of US tax payers' dollars spent, by the Obamanation Administration, on "misleading" propaganda campaigns to sale Obamacare to the masses?

Here Are The New Taxes You're Going to Pay For Obamacare!

Obamacare: Seven New Taxes On Citizens Earning Less Than $250,000!

Will Obamacare actually make you sick?

Monday, July 16, 2012, click this link to hear Guest:
Malcolm Out Loud - Host of the TV Show "Malcolm Out Loud."
Suggested Topics: Might Obamacare actually be called Obamascare!?


The TRUTH Behind Obamacare!
Get Out Loud with Malcolm at http://malcolmoutloud.tv

With the U.S. Supreme Court's approval recently of the "Affordable Care Act," this entered an elite canon of laws that have rewritten the social contract between American citizens and their government!

Their "Buy or Die" policy has made Health Care, Scare Care!
(DT Producer's words). With threats to fine$, punishments; and other "ear marks" in this 2700 + pages long Act! (Again, another in many unread Bills or Acts that most of Congress & the Senate don't all bother reading!) It's alleged that this Act will force, by mandates, US tax payers to pay another "tax" or else face all kinds of regulations, fines & socialized ever growing big Government goons' pouncings! However, we are told by the promoters of this tax that it "is not a tax!" But to get it passed, they argued in front of the Supreme Court, that it "is a tax!"*

So, Malcolm Out Loud is going to help us figure this whole mess out!

He will help us understand how & why:
They include the Social Security Act of 1935, Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the amendment to the Social Security Act that created Medicare and Medicaid, also in 1965.

Each added or altered social protections for large groups of Americans, but not without passionate debate and fierce constitutional challenges.

What does this mean for the American People?

Malcolm will break it down like no one else can by giving us the facts and figures & expose the inner truth.

Malcolm Out Loud can answers the following questions:
  • How will this impact our country?
  • How will this health care system compare to socialized health cares of the UK and Canada?
  • What are the next steps in the process?
  • How does this affect President Obama for reelection?
  • Are we now mandated to accept this insurance and if we don't what happens?
Meet Malcolm Out Loud
  • News & Political Commentator
  • Host of http://www.malcolmoutloud.tv : Weekly News Magazine and Occasional Outbursts
  • Critically Acclaimed Author
Note: * Whoops: Obama Describes Individual Mandate as a 'Tax' (On the Blaze).

Related: WH Chief of Staff: It Doesn’t Matter That We Argued Health Care reform Is a Tax in Court – It’s Not a Tax)

Joel Skousen, Wed 2-29-2012

Monday, June 25, 2012, click link to hear Guest: Joel Skousen, author of World Affairs Brief.

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Wed. 2-29-2012; Joel Skousen as guest on Mills Crenshaw's Drive Time Live. World Affairs Brief.
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DT, Producer, Sunday, June 9, 2013.
The Irony! Is this another of the Obamanation Administrations' Quest for Ultimate Control!?


Obama's Executive Order goes further than prior Presidents' dictatorial ones.

March 16, 2012, when President Obama signed executive order 13603 about “National Defense Resources by Text-Enhance">Preparedness.” What resources, productivity, and things that he'd hope to acquire? How were these things to be acquired? By the point of a gun, pointing at disarmed Americans? Farmers? Small businesses? And disarmed citizens?

All done in the name of making sure the making sure that America can remain superior in different military aspects of defense?

Executive Order 13603, Signed March 16, 2012, by Obama:

"The United States must have an industrial and technological
base capable of meeting national defense requirements and capable of contrib-
uting to the technological superiority of its national defense equipment
in peacetime and in times of national emergency."

Meeting the defense requirements? Contributing to Technological superiority?

If so, why have different Presidents, alleged to have been bought up by Chinese arm dealers, and illegal foreign campaign donors, were also alleged to have let Chinese Intelligence get access to military secrets, computer systems, nuke tech; while at the same time, different ones like Clinton also were for disarming Americans? 1

Why has American started companies, now global corporations, out sourced our productiveness to slave labor shops in China, Mexico, India, and other places? Which nations also now use the computer technologies, and other stolen, or acquired tech to make what America is now having a hard time to produce. In times of war, with China being still communistic, would we have to buy from them what we need, in order to defend ourselves? Or will it be acquired or contributed, by force, from the American people? 2

This Order further says:

"(a) identify requirements for the full spectrum of emergencies, including
essential military and civilian demand;"

In other words, what is going to be needed?


If the military or the common civilians need something, in the name of an emergency or national defense, how they going to know where to go to get it? Is that another reason why purchases seem to be tracked on computers too, when you swipe certain grocery store cards? Plus, why things seem to be bar coded, tracked and identified? The "identify requirements," seem like it will help with the acquiring aspects of the whole system. For what was first identified, perhaps by snooping around in data collection computer banks, by big brother spy super computer data banking, is a way for them to know who has what! Plus, the on going collected phone messages, receipts or internet sales; plus other tracking systems; by such means it seems they would then be able to have those "identify requirements" means in place in order to go after and take from the "haves" to give to the "have nots," what they need! 3

Further on it says, that to be prepared, to make "...sure the availability of
adequate resources and production capability, including services and critical
technology, for national defense requirements..."

So what's available, and where they going to go to get it? Who's got the resources, production, manufacturing capabilities? Or will they have to be happy with what they can take, by force, from the American peoples' resources, productivity, and what little small companies that are left? Such as ones that have somehow survived being progressively taxed, over regulated, fined & audited by IRS targeted companies. Like with the latest IRS Scandal? 4

So what sources and resources will they be able to tap into, when they "...allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense..."?

What "resources," can be "delegated" to them for their use?

"...food re-source facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health
resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial
fertilizer..."

More tearing of small farmers from their lands, live stock, and food productions, all in the name of "national security!"? 5

Obama’s plan involves seizing control of:

* “All commodities and products that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals”

* “All forms of energy”

* “All forms of civil transportation”

* “All usable water from all sources”

* “Health resources – drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment”

* Forced labor ( or “induction” as the executive order delicately refers to military conscription)

Moreover, federal officials would “issue regulations to prioritize and allocate resources.”

Each government bureaucracy “shall act as necessary and appropriate.”


So how are these different aspects being defined as?


‘‘Civil transportation’’ includes movement of persons and property

by all modes of transportation in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce
within the United States, its territories and possessions, and the District
of Columbia, and related public storage and warehousing, ports, services,
equipment and facilities, such as transportation carrier shop and repair
facilities. ‘‘Civil transportation’’ also shall include direction, control, and
coordination of civil transportation capacity regardless of ownership. ‘‘Civil
transportation’’ shall not include transportation owned or controlled by the
Department of Defense, use of petroleum and gas pipelines, and coal slurry
pipelines used only to supply energy production facilities directly."


‘‘Energy’’ means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both
natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of
coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar,
wind, other types of renewable energy, atomic energy, and the production,
conservation, use, control, and distribution (including pipelines) of all of
these forms of energy."

‘‘Farm equipment’’ means equipment, machinery, and repair parts man-
ufactured for use on farms in connection with the production or preparation
for market use of food resources."

‘‘Fertilizer’’ means any product or combination of products that contain
one or more of the elements nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium for use
as a plant nutrient."

‘‘Food resources’’ means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed,
or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are
capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective
of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all
stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in
vendible form for human or animal consumption. ‘‘Food resources’’ also
means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all
starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton,
hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses
its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product."


‘‘Food resource facilities’’ means plants, machinery, vehicles (including
on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribu-
tion, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the
domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transpor-
tation thereof)."

‘‘Health resources’’ means drugs, biological products, medical devices,
materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment required to
diagnose, mitigate or prevent the impairment of, improve, treat, cure, or
restore the physical or mental health conditions of the population."


‘‘Water resources’’ means all usable water, from all sources, within
the jurisdiction of the United States, that can be managed, controlled, and
allocated to meet emergency requirements, except ‘‘water resources’’ does
not include usable water that qualifies as ‘‘food resources.’’


After getting all this stuff from the American people, and should they have gone crazy dipping their hands into the pockets of tax payers already burdened. They can then, stockpile the goods! Thus, they would have to powers to take "... Materials acquired under section 303 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093, that exceed the needs of the programs under the Act [which] may be transferred to the National Defense Stockpile...."


Mean while, Americans are discouraged and almost forbidden to stockpile their own resources, for "Preppers" are considered "terrorists!"6 While also, there's talk about hwo those who try to grow their own gardens could be hassled, as it becomes more and more "illegal" to do so! 7


The question is this: Will these orders be used to benefit the American people in general? Or will they be taken advantaged of in the on going Economic war being raged against the American tax payers?


DT




http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2012-03-22/pdf/2012-7019.pdf

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimpowell/2012/04/29/obamas-plan-to-seize-control-of-our-economy-and-our-lives/

Federal Register
Vol. 77, No. 56
Thursday, March 22, 2012


End Notes:

1- See: Freedom From War, The United States Program For General And Complete Disarmament In A Peaceful World, Department of State, Publication 7277, September 1961, Disarmament Series 5). Edward Timperlake & William C. Triplett II, Red Dragon Rising, Communist China's Military Threat to America, (Washington, D.C.: Regnery Publishing, Inc., 1999); Edward Timperlake & William C. Triplett II, Year of the Rat, How Bill Clinton Compromised U.S. Security for Chinese Cash, (Washington D.C.: Regnery Pub., 1998); Jeb Babbin & Eward Timperlake, Showdown, Why China Wants War With the United States, (Washington D.C., Regnery, 2006); David B. Funderburk, Former Ambassador to Romania, Betrayal of America, Bush's Appeasement of Communist Dictators Betrays American Principles, (Dunn, NC: The Larry McDonald Foundation, 1991); Wayne LaPierre, Guns, Freedom and Terrorism, (Nashville, Tennessee: WND Books, 2003).

2- Jerome R. Corsi, Ph.D, America For Sale, Fighting the New World Order, Surviving a Global Depression, and Preserving USA Sovereignty, (New York, London, Toronto, Sydney, Threshold Editions, 2009).

Antony C. Sutton, Western Technology & Soviet Economic Development: 1917-1930 (1968 vol. 1); 1930-1945, (1971 vol. 2); 1945-1965, (1973 vol. 3); Sutton, National Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union, (1973).


3- Bill Gertz, The China Threat, How The People's Republic Targets America,(Washington D.C.: Regnery Pub., 2000.


Big Brother, Big Business - Directed by Jonathan Blank- Spy Cams everywhere! Everything Recorded, No Privacy Anymore!


G. Edward Griffin- The Collectivist Conspiracy


Ever increasing Government regulations of USA's Farmers who are Torn From Their Lands.

Suspect Nation - England's Big Brother is Watching

Suspect Nation - England's Big Brother is Watching
Click on Picture to learn how millions of Cameras are Watching the Brits, In the Name of Fighting Crime! It's happening here in the USA Too!

No More Privacy, Your Life On Line!

No More Privacy, Your Life On Line!
You Tube: The Last HOPE: Steven Rambam Keynote (1 of 2)

Is The Big EYE on You? Is Big Brother Watching Too?

Tues. May 1, 2012, guest: Ron Keller.


Topic: Big Brother is Watching! Are Americans being Spied On By Americans? By Big Government Agencies? If so! Why?
See also DVD, a must see!
Check out the Blog too, so you can know what to do!

1984 by George Orwell, (BBC Television's live production of George Orwell's "1984". Produced in 1954). It's a fictional futuristic look at a time when the all powerful State controls many aspects of life & keeps an eye on everyone! Thus, the term, "Big Brother" is watching.

On You Tube, see also:
Shadow Government 2009 Grant Jeffrey Alex Jones Katherine Albrecht Danny Estulin G Edward Griffin (Big Brother Is Watching Issues).

4-
2013 0604 CRAIG HULET 3 HRS.mp3 Craig mentioned how world corporations will buy up politicians, who then write laws that smash their rivals' chances of competition against the politicians' campaign donating corporation. How that there are swinging doors where politicians go in and out of world corporate job positions, then back to political positions, then back to corporate ones. See also: Dan Briody, The Halliburton Agenda, The Politics of Oil and Money, (Hoboken, New Jersey: John Wiley & Sons, 2004).

How politicians go in & out of corporations that they helped get the government contracts for, & thus banked from the bills & laws they helped get signed into law, when they were politicians! Many conflict of interest cases. A must see: The Iron Triangle!
How such cases goes against the Code of Federal Regulations, conflicts of interest in contracts with government, being done by those in government positions to write up such contracts, set themselves up and their corporate cronies to bank on such contracts; while their competition thus has less advantages.
http://www.bing.com/search?q=Code+of+Federal+Regulations&FORM=PERNSB&PC=PE01


http://www.bing.com/search?q=IRS+Scandal&qs=n&form=QBRE&pq=irs+scandal&sc=8-11&sp=-1&sk=

5-
Ever increasing Government regulations of USA's Farmers who are Torn From Their Lands.

6-
Preppers Are Now Considered To Be Potential Terrorists?
By Michael, on December 9th, 2011.

7- http://voices.yahoo.com/will-backyard-garden-become-illegal-5143081.html

Growing your own garden will be illegal. - YouTube

Nov 17 - Illegal to grow garden now! Senate bill s510 - This is ...


Joel Skousen, Back Again, Wed. 2-29-2012, 5:00 PM Mountain Time.

Joel Skousen, Back Again, Wed. 2-29-2012, 5:00 PM Mountain Time.
Joel Skousen of World Affairs Brief

Joel Skousen's World Affairs Briefs, Must Reads! See Links to His Site!

Joel Skousen's World Affairs Brief (http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/)

Joel Skousen Warns of Current Threats to Freedoms!

Joel Skousen, World Affairs Brief, Monday 3-19-2012. Topics: Executive Orders, & other "laws" that take away Freedoms in the name of "National Security!" Also: China getting "High Tech Intel" from Globalists' Corrupt Members in Israel's Government! (This was NOT an anti-Semitic discussion).

Questionable Executive Orders & Other Links!

What is a Presidential Executive Order? It is a written order from the Executive Branch of Government that is written by the President of the United States of America. Whether such orders are Constitutional or not, they can be used to enforce the will of a dictatorial global regime simply by their publications in the Federal Registry. In these, Congress is by-passed! If there are elements that could help cause the Constitution to hang by a thread, as prophesied, here are some of them!

Monday, July 9, 2012, Mills warns about Obama's Executive Order that makes the Obamanation Administration, "in the name of 'National Security,'" THE BIG BOSS over a lot of things. He can take over many aspect of Americans' lives: Transportation, Water resources, Farm equipment, Oil resources; Food resources, etc., etc. Mills says that Obama "is telling Congress what they can & can't do." How that taxes are to be raised! I would add: Why not bring down the spending instead? Why should Americans be milked for more taxes for them to spend? (DT, Producer). (See: Kay Granger, Representing the 12th District of Texas, Weekly Enewsletter: An Executive Order You Should Know About, March 30, 2012- Issues: Defense, Global War on Terror. But then she seeks to clarify a few things that she felt got misinterpreted: Clarifying the Executive Order E-newsletter, April 30, 2012).

The Executive Order, which I think is in question is: July 06, 2012

Executive Order -- Assignment of National Security and Emergency Preparedness Communications Functions

Other Executive Orders of Obama are here.

30 Years of Executive Orders that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights:
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
  • EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President. (Source: Bonfire's Blog, American Sovereignty, see: Executive Order- National Defense Resources Preparedness. 3-16-2012. Also: THE EXECUTIVE ORDER: A Presidential Power not designated by the Constitution, By Harry V. Martin with research assistance from David Caul).
Craig B Hulet of KC & Associates Investigation Research Associates also warns:

"In a stunning move, on March 16, 2012, Barack Obama signed an Executive Order (See text below) stating that the President and his specifically designated Secretaries now have the authority to commandeer all domestic U.S. resources including food and water. The EO also states that the President and his Secretaries have the authority to seize all transportation, energy, and infrastructure inside the United States as well as forcibly induct/draft American citizens into the military. The EO also contains a vague reference in regards to harnessing American citizens to fulfill “labor requirements” for the purposes of national defense.

Not only that, but the authority claimed inside the EO does not only apply to National Emergencies and times of war. It also applies in peacetime.

The National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order exploits the “authority” granted to the President in the Defense Production Act of 1950 in order to assert that virtually every means of human survival is now available for confiscation and control by the President via his and his Secretaries’ whim.

The unconstitutionality of the overwhelming majority of Executive Orders is well established, as well as the illegality of denying citizens their basic Constitutional and human rights, even in the event of a legitimate national emergency. Likewise, it should also be pointed out that, like Obama’s recent Libyan adventure and the foregone conclusion of a Syrian intervention, there is no mention of Congress beyond a minor role of keeping the allegedly co-equal branch of government informed on contextually meaningless developments.
"

For more information about this article see: www.kcandassociates.org orders@kcandassociates.org

Learn About the North American Union = End of America!

Thursday, 3-22-2012, Guest: Brian Turner, Utah Area Coordinator for the John Birch Society. Suggested topic: The Dangers to America's Freedoms from South of the Border.

A must see documentary, United We Fall, warns about Globalists' plans & workings towards a North American Union. What is the North American Union? It’s globalists’ plans to merge Mexico, USA & Canada into a huge Union, or "super state" within the One World Government. This means the USA’s constitution, bill of rights & national sovereignty would be voided out for a World Constitution, World Court, World Bank, World Peace Force, World Market, etc. Called by globalists, as a New World Order, Globalization, Globalism, Global Governance; World Regime, One World Government!

The Rise & History of Different Unions or "Super States" With In the "One World Government," Globalists Seek! (KTKK Fri. 9-9-2011)

The New American, North American Union Edition.
The New American, Obama to Host North American Summit on "Security," Global Warming.
The New American, Internationalists Renew Call for a North American Union.
The New American, WikiLeaks Confirms North American Integration Scheme.
The John Birch Society, Feds Purposely Keeping U.S. Borders Wide Open, Experts Say.

See also: The Prophets and the Constitution, talk by Brian Turner, given at the BYU Freedom Society.

Links to More on this topic, from Producer, Darell Thorpe.

Globalists' Time Line of Events of Secret Combinations' Works Towards their "New World Order!"

Thursday, 2-23-2012, 5:00 PM, John Birch Society President, John F. McManus, warns about Newt Gingrich: Building the New World Order, Remarks given by John F. McManus, President of the John Birch Society, at a Washington D.C. briefing on June 6, 1996. Up-dates given in this show! Click on show date to hear archived show!

Ezra Taft Benson in the Assembly Hall at Temple Square, Salt Lake City, Utah, USA, 2-11-1966. The message, Stand Up For Freedom, was given to The Utah Forum for the American Idea.

Near Death Experience prophecy of Dr. George G. Ritchie 12-1-1943 (time of his NDE), he later warns: "I saw armies marching on the United States from the south and explosions occurring over the entire world that were of a magnitude beyond my capacity to imagine."

Martin Tanner, on K-Talk, Nov. 1989, had Ritchie as a guest on Religion on the Line, KTKK 630 AM Radio, Utah. He repeats this prophetic warning of possible visions of the future, that includes the part about "armies marching upon the United States from the south." For type script of this part of the show, see this link: Eye Witnesses to the Future (A Short Study of Visions of the Future in Near Death Experiences), DT, 6-17-2011.

Dick Morris - CATASTROPHE

Dick Morris & Eileen McGann, authors of: CATASTROPHE, How Obama, Congress and the Special Interests Are Transforming a Slump into a Crash, Freedom into Socialism, and a Disaster into a CATASTROPHE.

Dick Morris gives talk at Nixon Library


Borders! What's Going on There!

Thursday, 5-17-2012, Dangers from South of the Border.
Guest: Kent Lundgren, Chairman, NAFBPO=
National Association of Former Border Patrol Officers
Topics: Updates on the Dangers to America from South of the Border/ Drug Cartels "taking over" government branches, even "collecting taxes," etc. How:
“Selling a human being is much more profitable than drugs,” NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF FORMER BORDER PATROL OFFICERS http://www.nafbpo.org

Michael Reznicek M.D. 6-15-2012


Click this link to hear show, aired Tues. 6-5-12, Guest: Michael Reznicek M.D. Topic & Book: Blowing Smoke: Rethinking the War on Drugs without Prohibition and Rehab‏.

Dr. Reznicek debunks the disease model used to vilify addicts. This model has been used to form the drug laws & in the "war on drugs." He wrote how addicts are told they have relapses because they have "genetic defects." Thus: "They begin to see themselves as victims. They gain access to tangible benefits, such as welfare, health care, disability payments, food stamps, and other subsidies. The disease model also provides an excuse for all the wild, destructive things done under the influence..."

He also points out how some of the "Drug prohibition laws originally were based on racist and anti-immigrant sentiments..."

How that: "The fact that alcohol is legal but cocaine is not has nothing to do with science and everything to do with politics."

How that: Prohibitions have only created a black market, political & police corruptions, & the rise of bootleggers, mobs, gangsters; followed by wakes of death & crime bosses' money booms!

How that: Other drugs, like big tobacco, have bought up, with their billion$, political protection$ & legal immunities, to certain extents. Follow the money!

How that: Fines, & other payments to Justice Systems & other Government agencies, are like huge pay offs from the drug war lords & other drug businesses; like tobacco, who continue to enjoy immunities, despite all the deaths caused by the use of tobacco.

Other points are brought out in his book & the show, today, should be an interesting one. So tune in today at 5:00 PM, Mountain Time.

See also this documentary:
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-war-on-drugs/

1940's, when it was legal for farmers to grow hemp; the old black & white instructional film, Hemp for Victory, help USA's farmers know how to grow & harvest it. Hemp for Victory, produced by the USDA in 1942, showed how Hemp, Pot, Marijuana, or Cannabis, as it's call; was used to make ropes, yarns, twines, shoelaces for the armed forces; parachutes & fire hoses. "Hemp for tow lines; hemp for tackle and gear!" Hemp for sails for the earlier ships! Thus, Hemp for Victory during World War 2!

Drugs and Banksters!

Click this link to hear show for Mon., June 4, 2012 Guest: Robert Mazur - Author: The Infiltrator: My Secret Life Inside the Dirty Banks Behind Pablo Escobar's Medellin Cartel

http://www.the-infiltrator.com

The book can be ordered by going to http://amazon.com

Robert Mazur's article, "Banking on Terror", please visit http://mediaproductions.tv/robertmazur

Mazur's article, "Banking on Terror", http://mediaproductions.tv/robertmazur

http://mediaproductions.tv/media/rm.pdf

http://chaseandassociates.com

http://the-infiltrator.com

Robert Mazur is represented by Eclectic Media Productions National PR Firm. Website:http://mediaproductions.tv

5-16-2012, John Cruz, World Banking, World Fraud- Using Your Identity

Wed. 5-16-2012, 5:00 PM, Mountain Time.
Guest: John Cruz, World Banking World Fraud--Using Your Identity. Topics: The story behind a Major Money Laundering Investigation! Someone uses his name & approval stamp, to approve loans for dummy companies that weren't there! He learns of other cases were forged signatures & notary stamps of others were being used to approve loans to ghost companies that don't have real tax ID numbers, or real addresses.
The more he digs the deeper & more complex he finds the layers of the international dung hill! The more he stirs, the more deeper he finds the local crap pool of that banking system is!
Why have major news agencies backed off from covering this huge story? Who is protecting the Big International Bank, and Why? Why do those above him, his boss, on up the corporate ladder; & even Bank Security, start to discourage him & limit themselves in helping him uncover more of the illegal activities he starts to find? He starts to come up against walls of secrecy that blocks his investigations into finding more lies, international fraud, drug & terrorist money laundering, & forgeries. Million$ & even billion$ of dollar$ are at stake, & are being channeled through the corrupt bank's branches to other banks & accounts across the world. He learns that some of the police are on the take, as he starts to get death threats! The banksters have set aside billion$ to pay off the Justice System, who leaves them alone, and lets the crooked business practices go on. The fines are like big pay offs, hush money. Only a few end up going to jail, or just have to pay large fines, as they make legal deals with the corrupt court system. He gets flax for making issues about discovering many cases of fraud in the bank's branches he's assigned to. He's told by his boss that it's not his job to find fraud, when it is part of his job! They discredit him, a hand shake simple greeting with a female employee, becomes "sexual harassment" as the Bank's Human Resources, or HR, builds a bull crap case against him. Doing this, in order to "justify" how they eventually fire him! Before this, he keeps on reporting how more bad loans were going out to straw companies that weren't real; & which have fake addresses, fake tax ID numbers on business accounts that are closed suddenly after being discovered were fake accounts. This is the true story of how million$ & even billion$ of dollar$ were $ent out to banks all over the world; as innocent peoples' social security numbers are taken & used by corrupt & illegal activities of these banksters. And by the duplications of his own & others' notary stamps, which were forged in order to falsely approve the loan$ going out! Who is protecting the Big Bank, and Why? In John Cruz's book: World Banking, World Fraud, Using Your Identity, you'll find out the hows & whys such things are being done!

http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/whistleblower-explains-abcs-of-money-laundering/

Wed. May 16, 2012, 5:00 PM John Cruz, World Banking World Fraud--Using Your Identity

Wed. May 16, 2012, 5:00 PM John Cruz, World Banking World Fraud--Using Your Identity
The true story behind a Major $$$ Laundering Investigation!

Thursday, 8-25-2011, 3:30 PM (Mountain Time), Utah: Ted Sumner's descent into the drug underworld!

Thursday, 8-25-2011, 3:30 PM (Mountain Time), Utah: Ted Sumner's descent into the drug underworld!
Ted Sumner's Deep Cover Cop. Hear the archived show, read his book! Aired Thursday, 8-25-2011, 3:30-5 PM Mountain Time!

Thursday, Nov. 17, 2011, 5-7 PM Mountain Time, Martin Tanner vrs. Ted Sumner, Drug Debate!

Thursday, Nov. 17, 2011, 5-7 PM Mountain Time, Martin Tanner vrs. Ted Sumner, Drug Debate!
Should drugs be illegal or not? That's the main topic for the debate between Martin Tanner & Ted Sumner, Thurs. 11-17-2011, 5-7 PM Mountain Time

The War on Drugs? Or a War on Civil Liberties? Former Narcotic Officers Tell Their Stories!

Tuesday, March 20, 2012, 5-7 PM Mountain Time, guests: Ted Sumner (Deep Cover Cop), with his old friend and fellow undercover narcotic officer, Russ Jones. They talked about their experiences as undercover narcotics officers. The temptations of law enforcers & the courts to fill their coffers & bank accounts with Asset Forfeitures.

Russell Jones

Russell Jones
Honorable Intentions

Tues, 2-7-2012, Guest: Russell Jones, author of : Honorable Intentions

Tues, Feb. 7-2012, at 5pm MST. Guest: Russell Jones
He is the author of : Honorable Intentions - The Book
"As an ocean sailor, combat helicopter pilot, police officer, narcotics detective, DEA task force officer, and intelligence agent, Russell Jones experienced a life of adventure, risks, and struggles against man, machine, and nature. He served in Vietnam, Iran-Contra, and the War on Drugs, yet constantly questioned the policies that were taking the lives of those who were serving honorably."

Why Weren't The Warnings Taken Serious?

THE TRUE FACE OF
SOCIALISM / COMMUNISM

The Communist Manifesto

“The Communist Manifesto, originally titled Manifesto of the Communist Party (German: Manifest der Kommunistischen Partei) is a short 1848 publication written by the German Marxist political theorists Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels. It has since been recognized as one of the world's most influential political manuscripts. Commissioned by the Communist League, it laid out the League's purposes and program. It presents an analytical approach to the class struggle (historical and present) and the problems of capitalism, rather than a prediction of communism's potential future forms. The book contains Marx and Engels' Marxist theories about the nature of society and politics, that in their own words, 'The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles'. It also briefly features their ideas for how the capitalist society of the time would eventually be replaced by socialism, and then eventually communism.” 2

The 10 Point Summary of the social environment goals of Communism:

  1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.
  2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax [Ed. note: i.e. the more money one makes, the higher percentage of tax on total income one is required to pay].
  3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
  4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
  5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
  6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.
  7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. [Ed. note: i.e. all industry is owned and operated by the State]
  8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
  9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
  10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

Marion Law's Confrontation with
the “Melbourne Man”

Marion Albert Law worked in the LDS Church Educational system for many years. He worked with BYU President Wilkerson in the 1960's and 70's, and often worked closely with the First Presidency and Apostles on a variety of matters.

Back in 1983, he gave a fireside in which he detailed an extremely unique experience as an LDS missionary serving in Melbourne, Australia back in 1947. A recording was made of this fireside, which was transcribed into text and posted online at a few LDS-based websites. However, his talk meanders a bit mid-topic, has some unintelligible moments [from either a poor or degraded recording], and parts of it do not flow well as a narrative.

As interest in his story grew, in 2010 Brother Marion Law composed a tighter, more direct retelling. The following is a complete reproduction of this 2010 autobiographical account 3 (emphasis added):

“In 1947, I was a 21-year-old missionary Elder, for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. My assignment was in Melbourne, Australia. My companion and I were going door-to-door in a quaint little section of the city. The lanes were narrow and wandered around, with no sense of plan at all.

“Missionaries are not supposed to leave their companions for any reason. But here in this compact area, we decided to each take a side of the lane. Opportunities to teach anyone were so rare that we thought it wise to cover as much territory as possible. If a friendly reaction was received by one of us, the other would cross the street to share in the visit. Usually, we could see each other every minute and could almost touch hands across the lane. So the plan was working well, as we doubled our tracting efficiency.

“At one door, a man answered and said yes, he would like to hear more about our beliefs. I looked for my companion, but he had disappeared. So I tried to stall until the Elder came back. He had obviously gone around one of the numerous meanderings and should reappear at any moment. I explained that my companion would be back in a minute or two. (Much later, I discovered that around the corner was a “milk bar”, where he had gone for a milk shake while he waited for me. The Elder assumed that since I was right behind him, I would soon show up there.)

“After a few more minutes, the man became impatient and said, “I don’t talk standing in the lane. If you’re not interested, never mind.”

“So I said, “Okay, I’ll come in.” My intention was to visit briefly, make an appointment, and return with my wandering companion.

“As I began to explain our purpose, he interrupted, “Mr. Law, we have a better plan.” So I asked about his “better plan”.

“The Melbourne man, as I call him, described how Plato, an ancient Greek philosopher, had designed a different kind of society. This man’s plan would follow similar lines. There would be three classes of people: the leaders, the workers, and the teachers. The teachers would be trained to condition a sinless society (“...as you call sin...”, he said) – there would be no hate, no greed, no jealousy, no envy, no lust, no malice – no sin. The workers would not be envious of the leaders. The leaders would not oppress the workers. The teachers would condition each class to willingly accept their assigned role in this “perfect” society.

“The Melbourne man further described how breeders would be chosen, based on superior intelligence, physical perfection and longevity genes. Children would be taken from their mothers at birth and placed in communal nurseries, and through various tests, their classes would be determined. They would then receive specialized conditioning for that particular class. All defective babies had to be eliminated. The total number of births would need to be controlled to prevent overpopulation and depletion of natural resources. By this selective breeding, a master race of geniuses could be created.

“Worker-scientists were assigned to research life extension techniques until future generations could “live forever”. Through space research, they would reach out into the universe to develop planets hospitable to human life. This perfect society then spreads throughout space in a never-ending cycle.

“I asked, “How will you condition them?” He then explained, in detail, the basic conditioning tools. They included diet, drugs, music, movies, education, etc.

“He described how diet (the basic elements of life, food and water) could be a major desensitizing and conditioning instrument. The Melbourne man said thatby using additives and special formulas, by changing plants and animals [Ed. note: i.e. chemicals, hormones, genetically engineered seed (GMO), etc], the diet of the people leaves them submissive and easily controlled.

“When that man told me that the materials, systems and procedures were already in place in 1947, my farm-boy mentality refused to accept it. Especially when he explained drug addiction. He outlined howdrug addiction changes personalities, making them so dependent that they will agree to anything to satisfy their needs. I protested that people will not allow themselves to be manipulated that way. He just laughed and said, “Mr. Law, you’re such a child. Wait and see.”

“I did not see how music could be used. The man then described “melodic dissonance” for me, in detail. He told of the conditioning experiments of the Russian scientist Pavlov in communist Russia, using dogs and metronomes. Pavlov found that he could condition a dog to salivate when a metronome beat at 60 beats per minute. Then he learned that he could condition the same dog to never produce saliva when the metronome beat at 120 beats per minute.

“In another experiment with the same dog, Pavlov had both metronomes beating at the same time, one at 60 beats, the other at 120 beats per minute. The conditioned dog was required to do two totally opposite functions at the same time. This produced nervous shock, and the dog collapsed, unconscious.

“Next, with the same dog, Pavlov had the 60-beat metronome suddenly jump to 120 beats per minute. At the same instant, the 120-beat metronome dropped to 60 beats per minute. This produced a melodic dissonance. When the metronomes were switched back and forth rapidly, the dog became so distressed that it died. In communist Russia, these experiments were then extended to humans, with similar results.

“Using variations of this melodic dissonance, a new music form was created. Musical scores and lyrics were developed. A team of musicians, called “the Beatles”, was trained in Europe and introduced to America on the popular Ed Sullivan Talent Show, on national television. They were an instant hit, and all other forms of music became “old-fashioned”.

“I could not understand such a phenomenon in 1947. But years later, when I first heard “rock & roll”, everything flashed back to 1947; I realized that the Australian did know that it would be a powerful tool for their conditioning plan.

“The Melbourne man said they had already begun“behavior modification conditioning” in government schools, using audio- visual programs. When they introduce their messages, beginning in preschool, the results are intense and permanent.

“A monster was emerging, that I found sinister and all-controlling. I could not believe what I was hearing. But over and over, he said, “Wait and see. You will live to see our perfect plan in full operation. When we control all the conditioning processes, everything will fall neatly into place.”

“I protested that they were forcing their will and control on people, taking away freedom of choice. His answer was, “No, they can still choose, but they will always choose exactly what they are conditioned to choose.

““But that’s not right!”

“He laughed at my evident simplicity.

“So I protested again, “But God won’t allow it.”

““Why not? How can a just God – there is no such being – keep these sinless souls out of heaven? That’s what you believe, isn’t it, Mr. Law?”

“So he began a different tactic. “Who do you love, Mr. Law? You certainly don’t love the Australian people.”

““Oh yes, I do, that’s why I came on a mission.” ““So, how many have you saved?”

“This was a hard mission. Few and far between were our welcomes. Fewer were our converts. I admitted grudgingly, “Not many.”

““And,” he said, “all the rest are consigned to hell.”

““Oh no, there are three degrees of glory, and...”

““We know all about your three degrees of glory. It means that many are called to be Mormons, but few are chosen to be gods. We know all about your church. We control every church in the world, except yours, and we will infiltrate that.

““Mr. Law, you don’t love anybody, do you?”

““I love my mother.”

““No, you don’t. Under your plan, she can either choose to go to hell, or make a mistake and fall through the cracks into hell. If you really loved your mother, you’d be eager to guarantee that she would go to heaven. With our plan, it is guaranteed. In fact, no one will he [sic, should be “be”] lost; they will all go to heaven. Of course, we don’t believe in heaven or hell, anyway. But if you really love your fellow man, our plan is the only way to show it.”

“I said, “I think I’ve heard this plan before.” ““Where could you have heard it?”

““It must have been in the Council in Heaven, before I was born.” He just laughed.

“I was reeling under his attack, but I could not leave. There were no chains on me. But I felt as if I was bound, hand and foot, to the chair – as though I was paralyzed. [Ed. note: this is a form of spiritual attack, similar to what Joseph Smith experienced prior to his First Vision. Do not be surprised if you experience a spiritual attack in connection with reading this book! Be ready for them. Pray and sing hymns until such passes.] So I asked, “Who are you? What do you call this plan?”

“I am one of three members of the central planning committee of the communist party for Australia.”

“I said, “I’ve heard of communism.” But I knew very little about it.

“The Melbourne man told me that the world understood economic, and political, and military communism. Butthe plan he was outlining to me, he called “spiritual communism”, that would evolve into a worldwide government. He said they were using the current governments until they controlled the world. Then those political, economic, and military leaders would need to be eliminated because they are violent men. Then the new world order would take over.

“I asked how they could make the plan work, when there are so many people who are not prepared to accept it. He said, “We will have to annihilate all who cannot be conditioned to be either a worker or a teacher.”

““How many will you kill?”

““Hundreds of millions, maybe even you and me.”

““But that is murder.”

““That is a Christian term that has no meaning. It is really a part of cleansing. We need to reduce the population to a more manageable size, anyway. Only the inner corps of the elite leaders know about the plan. The present communist leaders don’t know it. Spiritual communism is not written or recorded anywhere. It is a secret plan.

““Then why did you tell me?”

“He was a bit perplexed, but he had an answer. “I don’t know. But we are looking for zealous young men who will join this work to help bring about this heaven on earth. Think about it, not one soul will be lost.”

“I was not ready to give up yet. “You’ll never take over the world!”

“He answered, “Mr. Law, we now control two-thirds of all world governments, politically or militarily or economically. Only the United States of America remains as the last major hurdle to world domination.

“So I boldly declared, “You’ll never take over the United States!”

“But he said, “Mr. Law, let me tell you how it is!” He said they controlled all major conditioning instruments in America now: the entertainment industry, the news media, the education system, the courts, the financial system, political parties. Where they don’t have full control, they have infiltrated and have embedded their agents into all important decision-making bodies. He said they control every agency that affects daily living in America. Their agents were everywhere, doing their jobs.

“But since I was a high school graduate, twelve years in an education system, I thought that made me an expert in education. Quite triumphantly, I said, “You don’t control the education system.”

“Again, “Mr. Law, let me tell you how it is! When you get home, examine any textbook in any school, at any level, from preschool to university graduate school. You will find no mention of Jesus Christ or God or His plan. But you will find our plan being taught at every level. It’s written into every textbook.

“How right he was. I have spent almost 40 years of my life in education, as a teacher and an administrator, in public and private school systems. Satan’s plan is there; God’s plan is forbidden by law. God has even been declared unconstitutional by the United States Supreme Court.

“I asked when would all this take effect, and his spiritual plan be put into operation. He said, “We have a progressive agenda. We are prepared to take two steps forward, one step back, two forward, one back, until it is time. The American people won’t even know it is happening. When it is favorable, then everything will move swiftly to the purging, or cleansing stage. People will be stunned into immobility. We won’t want a time lag between take-over and full operation of our spiritual phase.

“Then he asked, “What do you think? Are you ready to join our forces?”

“I fell back to the only sure ground I knew. “I believe in God, our Heavenly Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ. It’s their plan that I will follow.”

“The Melbourne man became violently angry and shouted, “There are no such beings! They are myths created to enslave the minds of men. They don’t exist!” [Ed. note: pot calling the kettle black.]

“I answered simply, “But I have felt the power of the Holy Ghost fill me with fire from the top of my head to the soles of my feet, and I have heard the voice of God testify to me that Jesus Christ is His Son. His plan is the truth, and that is what I teach.”

“He lunged across the room and attacked me with his fists. Suddenly, I was free. I could move, and I ran outside into the lane. I found my companion wandering around, desperately looking for me. He didn’t dare leave, but had kept on searching for me. He had to help me on and off the tram. I was so exhausted that I was unable to get out of bed for a couple of days. [Ed. note: intense spiritual attacks are both physically and emotionally draining, as can be confronting difficult or painful truths. Pray for strength during such times.]

“Elder Matthew Cowley, of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, was President of all the Pacific missions. He visited us often in Australia. In my interview with him, shortly after this experience, he sensed that something was disturbing me. He asked if I would like to tell him what was wrong.

“So I outlined the Melbourne man’s spiritual communism to him. Elder Cowley told me why the man told me the plan. Now that I had been permitted to hear Satan’s plan, in detail, I could choose which I would follow, Satan or Christ. [Ed. note: after reading this book, this line is drawn more narrow for the reader, as well. Prepare to make a choice if one hasn't already.]

“Twenty-five years after this event, I was in Elder Ezra Taft Benson’s office and told him the account. He said that he had never heard Satan’s plan in this life. But he recognized the details that Satan used to persuade one- third of our brothers and sisters to follow him in the pre-existence. They were willing to trade their agency to choose, for Satan’s guaranteed salvation. Now, I could choose again which I would follow, Christ’s plan of agency, or Satan’s plan of total control. After sixty-three years, my choice is more firmly anchored than ever before.

“I have watched spiritual communism eat its ghastly way into every country and into every government, including our own. It is everywhere. All 10 points of Karl Marx’s communist manifesto have been quietly incorporated into American life. They have been accepted as “social progress”.

“The Book of Mormon tells how secret combinations destroyed two great civilizations, the Jaredites and the Nephites. The Prophet Moroni warns us:

““Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.” Ether 8:24

“Are we awake? Evidences of the secret combination – spiritual communism – are everywhere. What can we do about it? When the Jaredites and the Nephites followed the Prophets, they were protected. When they rejected the Prophets, they were destroyed. My only escape from the Melbourne man was my witness of Jesus Christ.

“The Prophet Nephi warned his people:

““...nothing can save this people save it be repentance and faith on the Lord Jesus Christ...Yea, how long will ye suffer yourselves to be led by foolish and blind guides?...” Helaman 13:6, 29

“There is a wonderful lesson to be learned from the Jaredites and the Nephites. There is safety in following the Prophets. I encourage all of us to follow the temporal and spiritual counsel of the latter-day Prophets, Seers and Revelators!”

Additional Testimony and Personal Experience
Shared by Marion Law

In addition to what is expressed in Brother Law's autobiographical retelling of his Melbourne experience, many segments of the original 1983 fireside transcript paint not only a more detailed account, but also highly pertinent information. It also provides a glimpse as to why, since the late 1970's, the leaders of the LDS Church have largely taken a hands-off approach in regards to politics or conspiratorial matters.

This part of his account begins after he entered the home of the Melbourne Man (emphasis added):

“I just barely began to explain the gospel and the man said to me, 'Mr. Law, we have a better plan.' And I said, 'What is your plan?' Then he began to unfold to me this experience that I’m telling you about tonight. But I was unable to leave the chair where I sat. It was as though I was physically bound and I felt as though I was chained. I couldn’t move. I couldn't breathe, and he began to unfold this experience to me – a very foreboding feeling. I have felt the presence of evil, I have had the experience of casting out evil spirits myself from a house and I know what that’s like and this was the most terrifying thing of my life [as] the man began to unfold this 'other plan.'

“He said, 'The nature of man occurs in 3 phases. First, man is an economic animal and therefore it is necessary for the state to control the economyso that we can have equality, and it will always be fair because man will always be inhuman to man until he can 'learn' to control that side of his nature.'

“And then he said, 'the second part of man is that man is a political animal and therefore it will be necessary for us to establish a dictatorship kind of government, what you would call a dictatorial form of government,' but he said, 'when we bring into effect the third phase of our program that won’t be fearful anyway.'

“'And so the third part, man is a spiritual animal,' and he said, 'we control some parts of the political world, some parts of economic world.' He said, 'we control all the churches except The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.' He said, 'we have them in our control' and he said that when we have political and economic control of the world, we will then be able to establish our total spiritual program.'

“He said, 'we have done research on thousands of animals and thousands of men, we know that we can create a perfect society because that by usingpsychological manipulation and psychological conditioning through the use of drugs, diet, and music,and force where necessary. We can condition the mind of man so that man will be sinless.'

“He said, 'there would be no, as you define it, sin. We don’t believe in that, but you would call it sin. There would be no hate, no envy, no malice, no lust, no greed, no jealousy, no viciousness, none of the those things that you would classify as sin.'

“Now he said, 'if we were 'the Gods', Mr. Law, how could God keep sinless souls out of heaven, if there is a heaven (we don’t believe in those things) but if there is,how could a just God keep a sinless soul out of heaven?'

“He indicated that they would function as Plato’s Republic functioned in his description of a republic that the leaders would not oppress the workers, the workers would not be envious of the leaders and the teaching groups would perpetuate this sinless condition. And he said, 'if we could have started with the first thinking man, you claim that’s Adam, but we don’t believe in that myth either, if we could have started with the first thinking man, he said, we would not have lost a single soul.'...

“He described the drug culture to me, something I just couldn’t comprehend, and he described how it would be used to condition people... and he described a process that 25 years later came into being... so we have literally become a part of that drug culture [Ed. Note: which, since the 1990's, has evolved into the prescription drug culture for the middle class. As of 2011, a turning point has been reached where legal prescription drug deaths not only outnumber illegal drug deaths, they also outnumber nationwide traffic fatalities]...

“'We will use diet,' he said. 'We will put into food things that will make it possible for us to condition people.' [Ed. Note: as mentioned earlier, GMO foods have these things “put in” at the DNA level] The whole purpose of the program is to make us conditionable, so that we are susceptible to whatever they wish to teach us...

“...but the thing that was the most shocking and I didn’t understand it at the time was music... [The key is] the underlying beat that goes on and it constantly changes, it is constantly changing. That’s why you’ll have several guitars and several instruments that are the same, the instruments are the same, they don’t have a trumpet and saxophone and a violin because what they need is the conditioning ability of those instruments. They need intense volume, they can deliver any message whatsoever, whether it is backward or forward, doesn’t matter whether you can hear the words in the language that [you] are speaking or whether it’s exactly the opposite, but the brain will unscramble [it and] pick it up.

“'And so we know, for example, that this melodic dissonance can create a conditioning effect so that you will believe whatever it is that you are taught.' This is the beginning of the free love revolution, is the beginning of the drug culture, the beginning of anti-authority revolution, the beginning of ourdeterioration of our respect for the flag, the country, the policemen, all the institutions that hold the fabric of our society together.

“And so these things, he described to me, in great detail. It was fascinating. It just was sort of overwhelming to me... He indicated of course that they would use force where necessary. He said to me that, 'we’ll take the children from their parents, early enough so that we can condition them, we eliminate all mental, emotional, and physical cripples at birth. They would, of course, have to be terminated.'

“He said, 'we are now researching and doing experimentation with science so we can extend the life span so that man can live forever.' He said, 'the day will come when we will be able to reach into the planets and create a whole universe of these perfect, sinless souls.'...”

“[He said,] 'If you love everybody, you would embrace our plan. Yours is failing. You have admitted it. How many people have you brought into the light of the gospel?' 'Well, not very many,' [I replied]. He said, 'You are right. But in our plan, every living soul will be saved.'

“And I said, 'Well, that’s a great plan, but I, everyone is going to have their free agency.' ... This guy [was] a very sophisticated, intellectual individual, and he said 'I can even prove it with your own arguments.' He said, 'Who do you love?' Well, just 2 or 3 months earlier, I had gotten a Dear John [Ed. note: i.e. a break-up letter] from a girl I’d left behind, so I said, 'I love my mother.' He said, 'I can prove you don’t even love your mother.' He said, 'We know, for example,' he said, 'that the Mormons believe that straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth to heaven and few there be that find it.'

“And I said 'Yes, oh yes, but there is–' [Melbourne Man interrupting] 'Don’t tell me about the 3 degrees of glory, we also know that many are called... but few are chosen. Isn’t that Mormon doctrine? Many are called but few are chosen?' 'Well, yeah.' He said, 'So that means that your mother can choose Hell if she wants.' 'Well, yeah.' 'Or she might even fall through the cracks in the church.'... He said, 'So you don’t even love your Mother. Under our plan, it’s guaranteed that she’ll be saved.'

“I said, 'but I can’t force her to go into heaven.' [He said,] 'When she finds out how beautiful it is, if there is such a place and it is as good as you say it is, she’ll spend eternity thanking you for making sure that she was saved. Well,' he said that, 'we’re only lovers of humanity, we are the only ones, who truly love our fellow men, you don’t, you’re prepared to let them go to hell. We don’t want anybody to be hurt or abased or offended or wounded or punished or anything. Why should they be punished? We’ll save 'em all, we’ll condition their minds,' He said, 'we know we can do it. When we take political and economic control of the world, we will institute our spiritual part of our plan to you.'

“And I said, 'Well, boy, uhhh, I have heard some of this before.' He said, 'that is not possible.' He said, 'You might have heard of the political part of the plan, you might have heard pf the part of the economic part of the plan, but never the spiritual part of the plan. He said, 'the spiritual part of the plan is not written or recorded,only the hard core elite are exposed to the spiritual part of our plan.' And he said, 'I'm one of those in Australia who controls our plan.' And I said to him, 'Why did you tell me?' He said, 'I’m not sure. I felt inspired to tell you.'...

“Well, he asked me where I had heard this plan of his, and I said, 'well, I must have heard it in the councils of heaven.' And he laughed at that. He said, 'we would like to bring some of you young dedicated missionaries into our program.' He said that, 'the one thing we lack is dedication and commitment to our spiritual part of our plan.'

“I said to him 'What is your plan? What is it? What do you call it?' He said, 'I’m a member of the Central Planning committee of the Communist Party in Australia. There are 3 of us who control it.' And I said, 'I’ve heard of communism.' He said, 'You have heard of the political communism and the economic communism,' he said, 'you have never heard of spiritual communism.'

“Now, I’ve heard Pres. [David O.] McKay talk about it since. Spiritual Satanism is what he called it. Hedefined communism as spiritual Satanism.

“I said, 'You have to give people their right to choose.' And he said, 'They’ll go to hell if they choose and you are not saving anybody. How many people are in your church?' There was about, then I think, there was less than a million people. He said, 'out of 2 and 1⁄2 billion? And the rest of them are going to hell. No, don’t give me any of that 3 degrees stuff,' he said. 'If [they] don’t make the top, they haven’t made it.' ...

“[After bearing my testimony of Jesus Christ,] he became violently angry. He said, 'we don’t believe in that myth. That’s a myth, that’s a mystery. They are just parables.' And I said, 'No! I have heard the voice of the Lord, I have felt his power and I know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.' This man became so violent with me, he attacked me and only then could I break loose and run out into the middle of the street...

“[My companion] had to help me onto the street car, and take me home... that 3 hour experience was a nightmare.

“I haven’t taken the time to recount to you all the things, because he did go through in detail in the method in which they would use diet, the drugs and the music and I’ve explained to you just a little bit how they would introduce this music and then the drugs, they would introduce it into our diet, our foods [Ed. Note: he's not just referring to the introduction of illicit drugs beginning through the conduit of hippie culture of the 1960's, but also “drugs” in our food and our diet, as well.], they would do all kinds of things that would condition us so we that we would be susceptible and easily led. We would not fight against them so that we would literally embrace their principles and these doctrines.””

The Dilemma Of The LDS Church
General Authorities

The second half of Brother Law's fireside talk, which stems off from this experience, is tremendously insightful as well. I've included most of it because he touches upon several personal experiences he had with the LDS Church's General Authorities through the 1960's and 70's. These memoirs not only provide a stunning glimpse into how the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has struggled against the behind-the-scenes machinations of Mystery Babylon, but also the infiltration of their agents and cronies. Additionally, he answers a number of burning questions along the lines of:

  • The General Authorities of the LDS Church haven't said a thing about Socialism nor Communism in decades. How is it supposed to be a threat if Soviet Communism is dead, China has been America's preferred trading partner for over a decade, and the Communist party is all but ignored today?
  • If it's so important to “awake to our awful situation,” as Moroni puts it, wouldn't the Brethren be talking more about it, describing how to do so, and exactly what we ought to 'wake up to' in their General Conference talks?
  • If we're supposed to be defending the Constitution so fervently today, why haven't the leaders of the Church openly encouraged us to do so since the 1970's? For example: Why are they taking a politically placating stance on the immigration issue today? Wouldn't that be considered contrary to the Constitution?
  • If there truly is such a massive, worldwide conspiracy, why don't the General Authorities overtly and forthrightly identify, expose, and discuss the perpetrators? They're inspired of heaven and surely must know all about it, right? Therefore, if any of this were in any way true, they would undoubtedly come right out during General Conference and expose it. They'd make plain to us the roots of these conspiracies, wouldn't they?

Keep these questions in mind as you read about his interactions with the leaders of the Church. And keep in mind that this was shared back in 1983 (emphasis added):

“I recounted this [Melbourne Man] experience to Pres. Benson a number of years ago and he asked me to write it and take it to Pres. McKay [then- President of the LDS Church]. He said that this is the detail of the plan that Satan presented in the pre-existence [Ed. note: i.e. pre-mortal] world. He said that 'I’d never heard it [spoken] before, but that’s it.'

“Right after this experience happened, I met Apostle Matthew Cowley in Australia. He got me released early from my Australian mission and took me with him as a traveling companion to New Zealand for nearly 2 months. I recounted it to him and he said 'You’re better off, the Lord has given you a personal testimony by the power of the Holy Ghost that Jesus is the Christ and now you’ve learned the other side of the story.' And I have to tell you that this experience was so frightening to me that it took me about 3 days to recover from it. I couldn’t go tracting [Ed. note: i.e. soliciting people to teach the Gospel to, either door-to-door or in public areas] for 2 or 3 days. I was literally weakened from the experience to the extent that I understand what the Prophet Joseph went through [Ed. note: i.e. when he was attacked by evil forces just prior to experiencing the First Vision] because he wrestled with the powers of darkness and I understand what it does to you. And understand it is frightening, it weakens you,...

“[President Benson] suggested to me that [my experience] has some interesting implications for us in our understanding of 'whatever' that transpired in the pre-existent world...

“The reason that I mentioned [my story] to Pres. Benson is that I had been given an assignment when I went to Brigham Young University, as a special consultant to Pres. Wilkerson. Pres. McKay had instructed Pres. Wilkerson to remove from the campus those people who taught false doctrine and so Elder Benson had suggested that I might be called to the assignment because I seemed to have a rather orthodox approach to the Gospel and after an interview with Pres. Wilkerson, he invited me to come on board...

“My assignments were primarily in organizing departments and selecting [unintelligible] in administrative programming and found people who didn’t understand the gospel as taught by its doctrine. And it was extremely difficult to get them removed. But because of the results of that particular assignment, I had opportunities to meet with many of the brethren, working projects with Marion G. Romney and Brother Benson and some of the others – Bro. [Boyd K.] Packer and so forth. Out of these experiences with those brethren, I gained a tremendous insight into the workings of the Kingdom and the attitude and perspective that the Lord uses in administering His Kingdom...

“Let me just read to you a quote by J. Edgar Hoover, one of the most maligned men of all time, and probably was eliminated by those people he was standing as a bulwark against. He said: 'We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are being steadily advanced because many of us do not readily recognize the means used to advance them. No one who truly understands what it really is can be taken in by it. The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization that [this] evil has been introduced into our midst.' [Ed. Note: Ironically, as witnessed by Jim Shaw, J. Edgar Hoover was himself at least a 33rd Degree Freemason, and was undoubtedly knowledgeable concerning massive Masonic infiltration of America's government. Hoover might have been a Government “wolf in sheep's clothing” and known far more about Communist infiltration than he let on – or he might have been oblivious to the even-higher connection between Masonry and Communism. Either way, the organization he headed, the FBI, has been long overtaken by conspirators.]

Pres. Benson removed, personally, 1,800 communist agents from the agriculture department alone [during the eight years that he served as Secretary of Agriculture under U.S. President Eisenhower]. The amazing thing is that our government is infiltrated. No wonder Pres. Joseph Fielding Smith said that all governments have been taken over by Satan. It is now his domain... And we have been told that we’re living in a day when the power of Satan totally dominates all governments. Not only communist governments but our own as well. And Joseph Fielding told us that the thing that keeps us in a state of freedom is that the Lord stops Satan from going so far. He only allows him to go so far...

“I was a member of the police commission in Calgary and in Canada and much involved in the anti-Communist activities. In fact, I was the first director of the Freeman Institute in Provo, Utah with [W.] Cleon Skousen. But I left that association and that activity because of President [Harold B.] Lee’s request that we not tweak the tail of the Beast. He told Brother Skousen [that with] his whole program, the prophet is under constant pressure to protect the church against our own government. He said'the Beast is alive and thriving,' and he said 'We are threatened constantly with annihilation of the church, its properties, its ways of doing things, by our own system of government.' He asked Bro. Benson to give no more anti-Communist talks and you have not heard [any from] him since that time.

President McKay pleaded with the priesthood of God to destroy out of America the secret combinations. In a priesthood session in 1965, that was the whole substance of his priesthood talk. He gave the whole priesthood session and he pleaded with us to eliminate this vile thing Moroni, in [the 8th] chapter of Ether, told us would come upon us, and if we didn’t eliminate it, it would engulf us.

“[It was] for this reason, brothers and sisters, that the Lord told Nephi in the 14th chapter of Nephi beginning with the 10th verse: "And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth." And that if you are not part of the church of the Lamb of God, you are a part of that other organization, whose function and existence, and being is to destroy the church of the Lamb of God.

We have not yet come under total direct attack, but we will. Because the great and abominable whore of the earth is bigger than the Catholic Church. Brother [Bruce R.] McConkie said ['the whore of the earth' was the Catholic Church] in his first volume of Mormon Doctrine and withdrew it, as you know, from the next editions of it. It’s bigger than that. It is a conspiracy. It is a money conspiracy. It is bigger than Russian communism. It is a worldwide conspiracy of money. Listen to the temple ceremony, listen to what Satan says, and he says that he will institute a money conspiracy that will be financed and controlled on the basis of [gold and silver].

“And so we have an interesting assignment ahead of us, because we have gone to the point now where it is no longer possible for us to eliminate the secret combinations from around the world. Our assignment is to gather the church together as tightly as we can, to pull it together as strongly and as vigorously as we can...

“We need to be aware that the agency of force, of unrighteous dominion, the greatest agency is government. Because government administers out of the end of the barrel of a gun. It’s always that simple. Until we come to the day where we have a government of God based on the Constitution then we will have the only true form of government upon the earth.

“You see the thing that concerns me, Pres. McKay made a statement, he said, 'We have no enemies. The Catholics are not our enemies. The Protestants are not our enemies. Labor is not our enemy, organized capital is not our enemy.' He said, 'We only have one enemy and that is satanic communism and those who support their doctrines.'

“Let me tell you some of the kinds of doctrines that we face...

“Let me explain to you what dialectic materialism is. [A] dialectic materialist is one who does not believe in God. We’re so programmed by the Lord Himself to believe in God – that’s our nature. We’re children of a divine Father. It is put into us. It’s a part of our genes almost that there is a God and we believe in that God. Now if you don’t believe in God then what do you believe in? You must believe in a God. So God becomes something—the greatest being you know. Well, what is that? That’s me! There is no God. I am next. Therefore truth becomes whatever advances me. And therefore if I have to eliminate [someone] because he is in the way of my advancement, that’s truth. [Ed. note: for the New Age religion of Thelema, its creed is “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” – prominently displayed on their homepage atthelema.org. 4 ]

“Now the American mind, the Mormon mind particularly, the Latter-day Saint mind has difficulty in dealing with something that cunning and that subtle, that devious. But that’s the mentality that we face.

“Now, realize you can take this one step further.Therefore, it is perfectly logical and truthful for me to propose a law that takes [someone's] property away and gives it to me, provided I do it in the name of charity. Right? Because charity is good, right? Isn’t that what we are taught, that the works of charity, that if there is somebody poor or depressed or ignorant or hungry or cold or whatever then we must be charitable.A satanic charity is that we will enact a law that takes property away from some people and gives it to other people and that then becomes charity. That is legal, that is morally right. We have come to believe [this] in this country, that that is morally acceptable... we have embraced it with all of our hearts.

Our whole education system is based on it. Our welfare system structure is based on it. Millions, 50 millions subsist on it and live under it. And we accept it, we believe it, we vote for it, we endorse it, we embrace it, and it’s an amazing thing that we have come to that point.

“Bro. Benson, I used to ask him about his. He always got up and gave a talk on communism in [General] Conference. He went around the country teaching anti-communism. And he really got lambasted, regularly. Brigham Young University was his greatest enemy.

“And I said to him, 'Bro. Benson, do you always give a talk on communism?' He said, 'Bro. Law, I would dearly love to give a talk on love, but Pres. McKay always calls me and says, 'Brother Benson, we have need for another one of your good hard hitting anti-Communist talks.'' And he said, 'so I give them.' I do remember Pres. McKay was our last [overtly] anti-Communist prophet. We haven’t heard a whisper of it since. Not a whisper... Pres. McKay had instructed Brother Benson, 'have Brother Law tell that [story of his] every chance he gets, to anybody that will listen.'...”

LDS Church Leaders Were “Ripped to Shreds” by
Those Both Inside and Outside of the Church

  • “The Beast is alive and thriving.”
  • “We [must no longer] tweak the tail of the Beast.”
  • “The prophet is under constant pressure to protect the church against our own government.
  • “'We are threatened constantly with annihilation of the church, its properties, its ways of doing things, by our own system of government.
  • “[Elder Ezra Taft Benson] got lambasted, regularly [by both external and internal forces of the Church]
  • “BYU [Provo] was [Brother Benson's] greatest enemy.”

By the time Harold B. Lee was President of the Church, insidious and intense external forces (unseen by the general membership) were pressuring the Church leadership to stop speaking out against the political doctrines, forms and tenets of socialism and communism. Even more pathetic was that it wasn't just push-back and pressure from external sources – the Political Science, Law and other departments at BYU Provo vociferously fought the Church leaders' efforts as well. It got to the point where the leadership determined that those who most strenuously undermined their efforts had to be removed from their positions at the university.

Brother Marion Law is not the only one who has detailed what the Church leaders faced at this time. W. Cleon Skousen spoke of it on a number of occasions. The following constitutes part of the transcript of one of Brother Skousen's talks 5 (underlined emphasis interpreted from source, other emphasis added):

“Back around 1965 [Ed. note: just prior to the introduction of American counterculture and drug culture], President McKay said “I definitely want all the saints to begin studying what's happening to our country, and what we can do about it.There was very little attention paid to it. I have the exact quote here; it's rather astonishing. Nothing happened.

“[In] the next year, 1966, he had one of the apostles speak on the topic Be Ye Not Commanded In All Things[Ed. note: Skousen then paraphrases the meaning of this talk] “For he that must be commanded in all things is a slothful servant. And if you will keep government restricted to those activities which are prerogatives [Ed. note: i.e. authority] of individuals, you will have peace and justice. The moment that you give government the powers of the Roman civil law, to decide what is good for the masses, and then force them to live under it –then the Constitution is dead.” And that's the direction we've been moving.

“People like J. Reuben Clark and David O. McKay and Ezra Taft Benson, and some of these men who tried to speak [out about it] in time, my generation ripped them to shreds in the quiet of their own homes, as they would say "My, I wish Brother Clark would stay out of politics." Remember that? They wouldn't attack Brother McKay – he was too sweet a person. Instead they would attack those whose teachings he recommended; [they would] try to destroy [the] approach indirectly.”

Both internally and externally, the leaders of the Church were pressured to “just shut up, already!” when it came to matters of politics, government and the corruption seeping therein – that any modicum of speaking out in this manner constituted a breach of separation of church and state. Thereafter, it was an unstated “rule” that Church leadership pigeonhole themselves to speaking only about matters of spirituality and morality.

Since that time, the General Authorities of the LDS Church have all but stopped warning about the very real and ever-persistent creeping socialism that has seeped into American government (through both major political parties) and eroded away our Constitutional rights and freedoms – at least overtly they have stopped warning about it. Those with eyes to see, ears to hear, and hearts open to deeper meanings can correctly discern political and governmental messages behind a good number of General Conference talks since the late 1970's.

Final Warnings From Marion Law
and W. Cleon Skousen

Continuing from other parts of the same talk by W. Cleon Skousen 6(underlined emphasis interpreted from source, other emphasis added):

“It's time for us to sit down as brothers and sisters.Especially my generation needs to do a lot of repenting... for the sake of the next generation. If we will do this, in time we will have the privilege of helping to fulfill Joseph Smith's great prophecy of what would happen.

“What did he say would happen? [First,] that these people [Ed. note: i.e. members of secret societies] that have these artificial, superficial plans will continue to the point where the American people will say in disgust “No more!” As President McKay told several of us in 1960, “History will catch up with them.” We must be prepared at that time to be able to take the initiative when it's offered to the saints. Secondly, it says that the people will turn, [that] a nation will turn to this people [Ed. note: i.e. the LDS members], leaning upon them as a staff, and this people will bear the Constitution away from the brink of ruin!

Now, I ask you: are you ready for this assignment?... We have a vacuum in our Priesthood culture that we've never filled. And that [vacuum] is [in] preparing ourselves for the day when [the nation] turn[s] and lean[s] upon us as a staff.”

In conjunction with his experience with the Melbourne Man, Brother Law stresses the importance of not allowing ourselves to be deceived (emphasis added):

“We have a tremendous need that we be not deceived. You recall, the 56th verse [of D&C section 45], it says that in that day when I shall come in my glory, shall the parable be fulfilled which I spake concerning the 10 virgins, that they that are wise and have received the truth and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide and have not been deceived. We are so deceived by the lies and deceptions that are practiced upon us that if we’re not careful, we will embrace them. Our minds will be darkened by those deceptions of Satan.

“Let me just point out to you how dangerous it is. You brethren and you sisters, the 95th section of the D&C says:

“For the preparation wherewith I design to prepare mine apostles to prune my vineyard for the last time, that I may bring to pass my strange act, that I may pour out my Spirit upon all flesh—But behold, verily I say unto you, that there are many who have been ordained among you, whom I have called but few of them are chosen. They who are not chosen have sinned a very grievous sin, in that they are walking in darkness at noon-day.

These do not know the doctrines of the kingdom. The mysteries of Godliness are told to us in the temples. We don’t go to the temples often enough to get our training. The university, the training ground of the Lord’s Kingdom is in the temple... We ought to know the signs of the times.

“I used to be called upon to give a lot of talks about the signs of the times and having your calling and election made sure, and we don’t even bother with studying the scriptures enough. The Lord has told us that the foolish virgins will be in the Kingdom right up until the very end, and [they] are those who are deceived and who [do] the deceiving.””

In addressing this important point, take a moment to reflect upon this part of Paul's second epistle to Timothy 7:

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

“For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth... But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

Those who are deceived (and that includes each and every one of us before we are fully awakened) perpetuate the deception, and we thereby facilitate the deception of others. From the smallest purposeful untruth springs perpetuated error, rippling down generations and affecting whole nations.

Is it any wonder why the Lord places “Thou shalt not bear false witness” (Exodus 20:16) so prominently in the Ten Commandments? And how the Lord so vehemently condemns “whosoever loveth and maketh a lie” (Revelations 22:15)? And how Nephi boldly declares “Wo unto the liar, for he shall be thrust down to hell” (2 Nephi 9:34)?

Brother Law continues:

“Let me refer you to a couple more scriptures. In the 46th section of the D&C, the 6, 7 and 8th verses:

“And again I say unto you, concerning your confirmation meetings, that if there be any that are not of the church, that are earnestly seeking after the kingdom, ye shall not cast them out. But ye are commanded in all things to ask of God, who giveth liberally; and that which the Spirit testifies unto you even so I would that ye should do in all holiness of heart, walking uprightly before me, considering the end of your salvation, doing all things with prayer and thanksgiving, that ye may not be seduced by evil spirits, or doctrines of devils, or the commandments of men; for some are of men, and others of devils. Wherefore, beware lest ye are deceived; and that ye may not be deceived seek ye earnestly the best gifts, always remembering for what they are given;”

Read that again: “that ye may not be seduced by evil spirits, or doctrines of devils, or the commandments of men; for some are of men, and others of devils.

Secular Humanism and all variations of New Age religions – these are the doctrines of devils. They are seductive doctrines because they have an appearance of benevolence and virtue. Yet, every single tenet, practice, teaching, and nuance springs from the source of evil, no matter how much they may try to imitate true morality. (This is covered in more detail in later chapters.)

“[L]et me point you to the 112th section of D&C, and this is the one that we really need to pay particular attention to:

“'Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face. Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord. And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;'”

The Lord will begin to cleanse the earth, beginning in his own house. Upon those who are deceived, who know not the plan of the Lord, who don’t understand the power of the Holy Ghost, who don’t understand what it takes to purify us...

At one point during his talk, Brother Law takes a tangent to relate a dream that he had.

“I had a dream in which I was standing over in the Taylorsville area on the street and I was dressed in my suit and white shirt and everything but all around me were people laying in the streets dying and dead people and as I looked out across the [Salt Lake] valley, I could see the flash of guns and the smoke, the smoke and fires, the city was on fire and it was a war, you hear the war going on, and I was jut [sic] dumbfounded. People were holding out their hands and pleading for help and it was a scene of intense warfare, and as I stood there in the middle of the street, a voice said to me 'You can’t go. You have to stay and help the people,' and I wakened up in the middle of the night saying to my wife, 'I can't go' and she said 'You can't go where?' 'I can’t go up in the mountains.'... That scene was so vivid [that] I recounted it to Pres. Benson and he said,'Brother Law, you have seen what I have seen.'He said, 'This valley will [be filled with] the scene of warfare and bloodshed before the Lord comes...

Finally, Brother Law concludes his talk with a stern warning (emphasis added):

“My brothers and sisters, we have got to become a holy people, a Zion people... We don’t have time to live all the mistakes that are possible for us to live out – to go though all the mistakes, to the repenting and all that sort of thing. Our time is now... We need to search the scriptures, to feast upon them as Nephi said. And to make them the most integral part of our lives. They will trigger us to the right actions. They will bring us to action. We need the action but it has to be the right action, for the right reason. The scriptures will do that for us. They will condition us. In the 121st Section of the D&C, it says: 'Let virtue garnish thy thoughts unceasingly; then shall thy confidence wax strong in the presence of God; and the doctrine of the priesthood shall distil upon thy soul as the dews from heaven.' Realize that these things come from conditioning our [own] minds. That’s why we have these scriptures. You can’t read these enough...

“So when the terrible times of the earth come upon us, and we have not even begun to understand what those are. The signs of the times are frightening and terrible. In fact, we’re told that they will become so terrible that the Saints will stand still and plead with the Lord to let the end come. But there has to be a group of people that are so committed, so faithful, and so righteous that around them can gather the weak ones and they can become stronger and stronger so that the kingdom of the Lord can be established that the New Jerusalem can exist and be real. I want to bear you my testimony that the Lord has been tremendously good to me. He gave me my wife by revelation, he has guided my life many times by revelation and I have heard the voice of the Lord witnessing to many things but most precious to me is the feeling, the piercing of my soul with the Holy Ghost that testified to me when he told me that Jesus Christ was his son – for this, according to the prophet Joseph, is the true testimony to know that Jesus is the Son of God.

“And I testify to you that these things are true, the enemy is about us and all around us, it is everywhere, it is in our midst. It was at BYU [Provo] in great intensity. There were men there who sent a petition to Salt Lake encouraging Pres. McKay to resign and become a prophet emeritus so that they could get on with somebody that wasn’t old and feeble and broken down.

“The Lord runs the Kingdom. It is His kingdom. He decides.

“I want you to know that I love the Lord with all my heart... And I just wish I was a better man. I wish I could become a holy man and be as good as I preach. I have the same problem as Paul had when he said when I would do good, evil is present with me. The good that I would, I do not. The evil that I would not, that I do. But I encourage you, Brothers and Sisters, to know that if you will feast upon the scriptures, if you will fast and pray, that it will give you the strength to be men and women – men and women that the Lord expects us to be.

“I testify of these things in the name of Jesus Christ, Amen. See also: Secrets of the Melbourne Man, by Marion Albert Law, on Latter-Day Conservative.

Thursday, November 21, 2013

Coup to Kill, Evidences for a Coup D'etat Conspiracy to Assassinate President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, & Cover it Up! 50 Years Later, 11-22-2013.

Coup to Kill, Evidences for a Coup D'etat Conspiracy to Assassinate President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, & Cover it Up! 50 Years Later, 11-22-2013. From the perspectives of a former Security Officer, Investigative Reporter, Radio Producer & Historical Research Specialist. Darell Thorpe.
Currently Radio Producer for Drive Time Live, The Mills Crenshaw Show, airs M-F 3-6PM Mountain Time. Darell as guest, talking about this case study, Thursday 11-21-2013, 3-6PM Mountain Time.
Coup to Kill by Darell D. Thorpe, Amazon, Kindle Edition. Title ID: 4513522 ISBN-13: 978-1493691135. Interested: restoredgospelevidences@live.com.

Thursday, October 10, 2013

Making "Miracles" Happen!

 Making "Miracles" Happen!

An up-lifting positive movie project about God working miracles in our nation's history, is being directed by Ken Cromar. The movie documentary "Miracles," will take you through historical cases and stories about the miracles witnessed by our founding fathers and others in modern times. Touching up-lifting stories that shows that God is a God of miracles in our time.

Rabbi Daniel Lapin on Miracles, You Tube.

Timothy Ballard on Miracles, You Tube.

Sen. Mike Lee on Miracles, You Tube.

Ken Cromar about the movie project: Miracles

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Go to Amazon, a Kindle edition of radio producer, Darell Thorpe's The Christ in Santa Claus Unmasked: How Early Christian Doctrines of Christ World Wide Treks Became Legends. Royalties to help make "Miracles" happen.

All these clips are featured in an interview, with Ken Cromar, 9-11-2013, on You Tube.

Friday, May 17, 2013

Answers to Common Anti-Mormons Christians' Rantings & Spewing Disinformation!

Answers to Common Anti-Mormons Christians' Rantings & Spewing forth Disinformation!

Producer of Drive Time Live, The Mills Crenshaw Show
Darell Thorpe, May 16, 2013, Thursday

Today, again, I heard an anti-Mormon "Christian" TV program, where the host has on "Christian" ministers, ex-Mormons, or "apostates," to spew forth as much disinformation as possible against members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (Commonly known as LDS, Mormons). Many of things they talk about have been answered over and over again by LDS scholars, and LDS apologists. I called in again, tried to confront her about how the same types of issues that were brought up by early anti-Christians, against early Christians; are the same types of issues that modern anti-Mormon "Christians," now bring up against Mormon-Christians. This last time, I got cut off, the volume got turned down. Thus, it seems that the host and her guests, don't want to deal with the same types of issues, as they are reflected back to them from early anti-Christian writings. It also seems that they don't also want to deal with the same types of beliefs and rituals as found in early Christian writings that expound on the same types of beliefs restored in the LDS church. So, when I've called several times, I've backed up points with sources from historic biblical Christianity; from early Christian writings, art works & polemics. Many of these critics only seem interested in spewing forth as much disinformation as possible with the use of the same types of early anti-Christians' methods, tactics, and "reasons" why not to believe," as Atheists use as "reasons why not to believe," against all religions.
For a detailed rough draft study on this see:

1. A common charge is that critics constantly spew out over and over again is the charge that the bible does not teach that humans can become gods, or goddesses. That LDS believe that they can become gods. Answer: The Bible does teach what is called deification. The early Christians cite the bible in defense of their own versions of deification, which is that humans can become gods, or goddesses in the eternal after life realms. 1

2. Another common charge is that "the Book of Mormon is racists!" Critics interpret, like some early LDS church leaders did, and some member still do; that: "The black skins, and the turning of black skins to white," are literally in reference to actual skin colors changing. However, many early to modern critics; and many members of the LDS church today, are not familiar with studies that show how the references to "black skins," turning "white," could actually be symbolic, not literal. Anciently, ritualistic garments were made out of animal skins. If your white robes, skins, or garments became spotted, darkened, or stained with sins to the point of blackness, that wasn't going to be good for you before God's judgment bar. Thus, to wash, purify, cleanse, and removed those spots, stains and blood, or sins from your garments, through Christ's atonement; your "skins" would become white! In other words, your ritualistic robes, or garments made out of animal skins, would become white. Thus, after careful studies in ancient ritualistic garment color symbolism, the Book of Mormon shows its ancient typologies, that it is an ancient text, translated into 1830s English of early America. This is the answer to this charge that The Book of Mormon is alleged to be racist. 2

3. Another charge is that the bible does not teach any type of preexistence of spirit before birth. The fact is, historic biblical Christianity is filled with the beliefs in a preexistence. It was in later centuries that they started to argue over what it meant, and eventually reject it. Christianity preserved the belief, to a certain extent, in art works, writings, and later legends. However, for critics to call the belief restored in Mormonism, as being Satanic, Devilish, or Luciferian, is ironic! Especially, when we consider that the very mention of the devil, satan, etc., taps into the preexistence beliefs. Especially when one researches the fallen angels, the war in heaven, and satan's as a fallen angel. Those are preexistence themes in early Christianity! 3
4. Another charge and LDS belief that is sometimes unwisely mocked, is the belief that Christ went to the ancient Americas. Or to all the world, after his resurrection. Again, it was an early Christian belief that Christ went to all the earth. It also answered the early anti-Christians charge the Christ neglected other nations. However, this belief about Christ's world wide trek, eventually became part of the lore about Santa Claus' frosty annual Christmas rounds. 4
5. Another charge that critics sometimes ignorantly mock, is the LDS beliefs in salvation for the dead; that the gospel was, and still is being preached to the spirits in a spirit prison. Have modern Christians forgotten their earlier creeds? Some earlier ones include "Christ's descent into hell." Early Christian baptism was a type of Christ's descent into hell too. Plus, baptism for the dead was part of the descent into hell doctrines of early Christianity. But, like the other beliefs and their ritualistic types, they too became legends and were almost forgotten with time. 5

6. Another creed that critics stick to is, "there is not one shred of evidence for The Book of Mormon!" What if there was at least one? Then there could be two, and so forth, to many, many evidences! But, critics want to stick to their claims that there isn't any, and ignore research and studies, artifacts, and other things that shows that there are many evidences for the Book of Mormon. 6

7. Another charge that critics make is that biblical Christianity didn't have temple type of ordinances. The fact is, that historic biblical Christianity is filled with evidences that they had temple type mysteries. We see it in their scriptures, writings, art works and rituals. 7

8. Another false charge is that LDS Church is seeking to take over America and the world. The fact is, that the LDS church's prophets, the Book of Mormon and LDS patriots have been warning the world, for years now, that it's secret combinations that are seeking to destroy America and the freedoms of all lands, people and countries. 8

Notes:

Ye Are Gods... Children of the Most High: Studies of Deification & Perfection to Godhood in Historic Christianity, NDEs, Polemics & Art works [Kindle Edition]





Series: Contrasting LDS & Early Christian Versions of Deification).

Are Early Christians Christians? If Not, How Could Modern Christians Be Christians?

Darell Thorpe, Associate Producer's Comments & Notes, 1-31-12

What a lot of modern Christians don't realize, or care to look into, or want to accept, are these: There are a lot of similar arguments1 that early anti-Christians made against early Christians; and those made by modern "Christians" against Mormon-Christians.2

Answers that early Christian apologists gave their critics, still answers modern anti-Mormon "Christians!"3 The challenges are for modern Christians to answer the same types of charges; which answers would then be their own answers to their own charges made against the LDS church. How they might answer early critics without the use of doctrines that the early Christians used, would be interesting to see too!

Early Christian beliefs, doctrines & their ritualistic mysteries or dramas of those beliefs; all helped to answers many early anti-Christian charges. However, many modern Christians have later ignored; or are ignorant of the following doctrines & beliefs; while many others now reject them. As centuries went by, some Christian sects discontinued, or turned these earlier things into legends & traditions.4 Which, though they have some fragmented reminders of what they once were, are still in retrogressed, apostate, and legendized forms. Which many modern Christians now practice, while they are poking fun of, & rejecting the restored versions of many of these things, as they are restored in Mormonism, or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

A case in point was how one time some anti-Mormon "Christians," at the Utah State fair, were making fun of LDS temple garments. I asked them if their parents ever gave them "new clothing," during Easter. Some of them said "yes." I asked if they knew where the tradition came from? "No." I then pointed out how that it comes from earlier Christian customs of putting on white robes of baptism during Whitesunday.5 These go back to early Christian temple type mysteries, of being anointed, & clothed in white garments.6 So, while they accepted the later legendize traditions of new clothing for Easter, they rejected & made fun of the restored version of it.

It's ironic too, because of how the following doctrines, beliefs & rituals, are so well documented in historic Christianity. So it makes us wonder what "historic Christianity," and "biblical Christianity" they are talking about! Especially when they charge that Mormons are not Christians because they don't go along with "historic biblical Christianity!" It might be that Mormons-Christians might be more comfortable with many earlier Christian beliefs, than many modern Christians might. Or, at least those beliefs and rituals that have been restored by modern prophets in Mormonism. But, not the diverse off shoot beliefs & apostate practices that later developed during the dark ages, & in different versions of rituals & beliefs that early to later Christians argued about for centuries.
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Cases in point of early Christian beliefs now legendized:

1. Preexistence of our souls before birth into our own physical body.

2. Christ's descent into hell to preach the gospel.

3. Christ's pre-birth & post-resurrection world wide visits to other nations.

4. Deification, (becoming gods).

Preexistence, Christ's descent, his world wide treks answered the ancient critics' charges that Christ neglected other people, nations & those of pre-Christian times. If Christ pre-existed, he could have talked to prophets around the world in pre-Christian times. If he went to the spirit prison after his death, he could have preach the gospel there too. If he went to other nations, he wasn't neglectful, as charged, of neglecting millions of souls, for all would eventually get a fair chance to hear the gospel, if not in this life, in the next realms.8

The pre-existence was taught by the earliest Christians, while some later began to reject it too. Later, it was rejected by much later Church councils, like in 553 AD, during the Council of Constantinople. In other areas of Christianity, it was preserved in thousands of art works; while in other areas, it became legends, myths, stories & strange customs. Legends about water spirits, fairies, underworld demons, like in Lord of the Rings, where Gandalf falls and battles with a demon from the ancient world, Balrog, as they fall down into the deep places of the earth. This is a legendized version of Michael's combat with Satan, falling from heaven, crashing down into the underworld. Other pre-existence themes legendized are in stories about gulls, trolls, goblins, & strange creatures of the woods, lakes & streams; which are the fallen angels, which when cast out of heaven, during the war in heaven, fell into the deep places of the earth, & other places. Ironically, many modern anti-Mormon "Christians," have to use parts of the pre-existence doctrine, to make the false charge that "Mormons are satanic!" Or are "devil worshipers!" What nonsense! The very mention of "devil," or "satan," taps into the doctrine of the pre-existence, because of how the devil or satan is said to be a fallen angel, who made war in heaven.

Christ's Descent into Hell: Though many modern Christians still hold to this belief, many others don't, they reject it, or don't know about it. It's ironic, however, to hear anti-Mormon "Christians," poke fun of LDS' beliefs in salvation for the dead, & baptism for the dead, when earlier Christian creeds mention Christ's descent into hell. Moreover, baptism for the dead were done by earliest Christians; but then, were eventually discontinued too. Different strange versions were developed in Masses, Liturgical rites & mysteries, derived from earlier Christian rituals for the dead, such as prayers. Other versions, that of baptism of dead bodies, were discontinued by later Christian councils, such as at Hippo and Carthage, during the late 4th century. Thousands of art works show Christ in hell, with angels, prophets & saints, all preaching the gospel & freeing souls out of hell. The ritualistic types & dramas that acted out this event were earlier forms of baptism. Baptism being a type of being buried with Christ and raised in the resurrection with Christ. Baptism also included anointings, washings, putting on new ritualistic garments, & in some cases, hand clasps, as those coming up out of fonts would be ritualistically pulled up, like in the resurrection. One of the most popular ways to show the descent & resurrection, especially in iconography of the Anastasis, is to show different types of hand & wrist grips in lifting souls up in the resurrection. Christ's descent was even made fun of by early anti-Christian, Celsus, writing about 170-80 AD. He also knew about & rejected the early Christians' different versions about the pre-existence, of 2 divine sons fighting in a war in heaven; & the fall of the angels down into the underworld to then be put in chains. A theme so often depicted in historic Christian art works all over historic biblical Christianity down through the centuries.

Christ's world wide trek before his birth & during his post-resurrection victory march throughout the world, also must have been noted by ancient critics too, who made fun of Christ as being a wanderer, who couldn't stay put. Contradicting their own charges, critics would ignore Christ's descent & world wanderings, to then charge that Christ was neglectful of other nations, & that he couldn't rule or extend the boundaries of his kingdom beyond the paths of the sun, like the pagan gods could. Christian apologists said that he could & did! But, Christ's world wide trek fades off into later traditions & stories about Santa Claus' frosty annual flights all over the world. So, while many modern Christians do the Christmas things, they reject the Book of Mormon's account of Christ's post-resurrection visitation in glory to the ancient Americas. And of him speaking to prophet in the ancient Americas, during his pre-existence too. Christ world wide treks were preserved in many later legends about the Christ-child's wanderings about to visit & test St. Dorothy, St. Martin, St. Christopher, St. Augustine, & many others. Wandering Christ-child stories are still popular in many Christmas stories too; which became German Christkindl legends; which became Kriss Kringle stories; which some threads of the traditions, became Santa Claus. How might modern anti-Mormon "Christians" answer the early anti-Christian charges that Christ neglected other people and nations, without the use of the early Christian doctrine that Christ went to other nations, (as the Book of Mormon testifies too), is interesting. Some say that Christ could have went. Others that he couldn't of because, "there's no evidence that he did," because the Ancient Americans were so "paganistic & barbaric!" So would this mean the the devil, & his demons (oh! there are those pre-existence words again!), were able to travel to the ancient Americas, but Christ didn't? What ever be the case, The Book of Mormon is one of those "extra-biblical" books that many anti-Mormon "Christians" say, makes Mormons "not Christians!" Even though The Book of Mormon is a back up witness with the bible, for Christ?

Deification, (becoming gods): It's ironic that many modern Christians will claim that Mormons can't be Christians because they don't accept the Nicene Creed of 325 AD., which is extra biblical, the formula of the creed is not in the scriptures.9 Which is another charge many critics say makes Mormons "not Christians," because "they believe in extra-biblical books," like The Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants & Pearl of Great Price & the Bible, 'as far as it is translated correctly.'" Another thing critics say makes Mormons "not Christians," is their belief that "Mormons teach they can become gods!" The irony is that the critics have to tap into the doctrine of pre-existence again to charge this! For one of the beliefs that critics say makes Mormons "devilish," "satanic" & a non-Christian "cult!" is that they are "Godmakers!" The irony continues when we take into account that the same early Christian fathers of the 4th century, who were made to accept Emperor Constantine's edict to accept the Nicene creed, or else! Are some of the same ones who also taught their own versions of deification, that early Christians could become gods, or become like Christ. Different versions of deification were shaped, & developed as the doctrines about what "god" was said to be like; were argued over by early to later Christians, before, during, & after the Nicene Creed era of 325 AD. (See: The Ante-Nicene Fathers series, The Nicene & Post Nicene Fathers series).

Also, a physical resurrection, eventually was argued to be just a spiritual resurrection, & so this influenced later versions of deification that became anti-body types. The deified would not need a resurrected body to be gods or goddesses in the eternities, claimed certain early to later Christians, such as Origen. Other areas of Christianity also had a difficult time in depicting the godhead, for if, as the Nicene Creed said, there is only one God, or they three are one! How were they to be depicted in art? Three rabbits, triangles, stars, circles, a hand extending out of a cloud; 3 heads on one body; 3 faces on one head. All these became symbolical ways to represent the 3-in-1 "godhead," in post-Nicene Christianity. So the doctrine of deification was also effected too by the changes in what God was said to be like. That's why later Christians talk about becoming one with the "one God" in the 3-in-1 Godhead, in being perfected and deified. Later debates were held, such as in Northern Europe, in 400 AD, about what perfection meant. Perfection, being a part of deification, was also made fun of by Celsus, who talked about how the earlier Christians believed in an old worn out myth; & how they were teaching each other that they can be perfect. Deification also answer the early anti-Christians' mocking questions about why Christ, who created the universe, would need to come down to earth to work with wood? Was it to see what was happening here? Why did he need food, need to travel about & be born into a physical body of a man? Why did god become a man? The answer that early Christian Apologists gave, which taps into the doctrine of deification, was that Christ became a man so you can learn from a man how to become god. (See the You Tube series of another debate, which Martin Tanner took part in on K-Talk, about deification. Plus, Darell Thorpe discussing deification with a critic. Series: Contrasting LDS & Early Christian Versions of Deification).

With the restoration of many of these ancient beliefs and doctrines, as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints testify. The fact that these beliefs answered many issues raised by early anti-Christians; still can be answers to many modern issues & questions. Why are we here? Where do we go after death? Did Christ go to other nations, if he died for the sins of the whole world? What about prophets & apostles? Or is God silent & uninterested in speaking to them, as in times of old? What about those who didn't hear about Christ, before the Christian era? What will happen to these millions of souls? What about those who died after Christ, the millions of souls in other nations who never heard? What's going to happen to them?

The answers that the restored gospel gives to these questions have been vilified, rejected & said to be some of the reasons why Mormons can't be Christians. However, the same answers, with parallel beliefs & doctrines used, by earlier Christians, still should be considered. As with the questions; that if these doctrines are ones which makes Mormons "not Christians." What then would become of the early Christians who believed in their own versions of them, though not exactly the same as the restored versions? Would their own versions make them also disqualified as being not Christians? If so, where would that leave modern ones? How could modern Christians be Christians?

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Origen Against Celsus:

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0416.htm

Justin Martyr:

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0127.htm

Clement of Alexandria:

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0210.htm

Gregory of Nyssa, see last paragraph:

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/2910.htm

Octavius (Minucius Felix)

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0410.htm

Tertullian, An Answer To the Jews

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0308.htm

To Autolycus (Theophilus of Antioch)

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/02041.htm

Council of Constantinople AD 553: Origen's version of pre-existence rejected in part:

http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3812.htm

To name a few for, see also my video series on You Tube.

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos...

End Notes:

1- A. S. Garretson, Primitive Christianity And Early Criticism, (Boston: Sherman, French & Company, 1912); R. Joseph Hoffmann, (translator), Celsus On The True Doctrine, A Discourse Against the early Christians, (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1987); Robert Louis Wilken, The Christians As The Romans Saw Them, (Yale Un. Press; New Haven & London, 1984); Stephen Benko, Pagan Rome And The Early Christians, (Indiana: Indiana University Press, 1984); W. H. C. Frend, Martyrdom & Persecution In The Early Church, (Garden City, New York: Anchor Books Doubleday & Company, 1967); Daniel C. Peterson, Dr. and Stephen David Ricks, Professors, Offenders For A Word {How Anti-Mormons Play Word Games to Attack the Latter-day Saints},(Salt Lake City, Utah: Aspen Books, 1992).

2- Darell Thorpe, Mormonism: Shadow or Reality in Historic Biblical Christianity - Early anti-Christian writings Parallel Modern anti-Mormons' Writings, (Salt Lake City, Utah: On line Kindle Edition, 2011).

3- Darell Thorpe, Early Christian Answers to Primitive Critics, How Their Responses Answer Modern Issues, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Salt Lake Community College, August 1996; College Research Paper for a Humanities Special Studies Class; Instructor: John Fritz, Student: Darell Thorpe). Topix: Justin Martyr Jr., Answers to Early Anti-Christians, answer modern Anti-Mormon "Christians!" (May 28, 2008). http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/latter-day-saints/TA5R4BO83H9OD39T8#c7

4- Some of these doctrines that eventually became legends in later centuries, in different areas of Christianity are these: 1. The Pre-existence, it was legendized into stories about water spirits, underworld demons, cave trolls, creatures of the forest, streams, lakes & rivers. Goblins, ghouls, & fairies. 2. Early Christian mysteries eventually were fraternalized in later freemasonry. 3. Christ’s world wide treks became legendized into Santa Claus’ annual frosty world flights. 4. Early Christian white garments in their mysteries, eventually became Whitesunday traditions, to become new clothing during Easter. 5. Eternal marriage eventually became later hand clasping rings, the circle a symbol of eternal love. The priests often saying: “What God has jointed together, [with the groom holding the bride by the right hand], let no one divide asunder.” 6. Christ’s descent into hell was later turned into legends too, though also preserved in creeds, art works, liturgical & mass dramas. Mystery & moral plays, & iconography of the Anastasis.

5- Elizabeth Hough Sechrist & Janette Woolsey, Its Time For EASTER, (Philadelphia: Macrae Smith Co., 1961), 21, & 24-5. The Nicene & Post-Nicene Fathers, 5:519-520, & 524, Gregory of Nyssa: Dogmatic Treatises, (reprint June 1972, by WM. B. Eerdmans). Marion P. Ireland wrote that "White was the robe for newly baptized Christians in the primitive church,” (Textile Art in the Church, by Marion P. Ireland, 1966, 67, & 1971, Pub. Abingdon Press., Nashville & N.Y., p. 73). Iconography of Christian Art, by Gertrud Schiller, Vol.1, trans., by Janet Seligman, 1966 & 77, New York Graphic Soc. Greenwhich, Conn., #364., dated c.1170 Hortus Deliciarum. Brigham Young Un. Studies Vol.22, Winter 1982 #1, pp.31-45, Clothed Upon: A Unique Aspect of Christian Antiquity, by Blake Ostler. Also, Heaven: A History, pp.137, 140-1, pl.26. The Golden Age of English Manuscript Painting (1200-1500) by Richard Marks & Nigel Morgan 1981, pp.60-1, pl.11. L' Art Roman En Espagne by Marcel Durliat 1962, fig.219; Medieval French Miniatures by Jean Porcher #27; Anglo-Saxon Art by David M. Wilson pp.186-7 fig.233; Monuments of Romanesque Art, Swarzenski, op. cit., pl.20 fig.45, pl.173, fig.380-1, pl.209. fig.491; Romanesque Sculpture, p.39, fig.18; The Icon, Weitzmann, pp.26-7, 30-1. One of the traditions that preserved in part the use of baptismal garments, in later centuries was the festival known as "Whitsuntide." The Christian pentecost festivals were also called "...Whitsuntide, so called because the catechumens who had received the rite of Baptism on the previous day were clothed in white while attending Mass during Pentecost. Hence Whit Sunday is really a corruption of "White Sunday." (Manners, Customs, & Observances, (Their Origin & Signification), by Leopold Wagner, Pub. Scripta Manent, Lon. William Heinemann, 1894, republished by Gale Research Co., Bk. Tower, Detroit, 1968, p.212-3).

"THE CUSTOM of wearing new clothes at Easter probably dates back to the time when the New Year started in March and new clothes were worn to signify a new beginning. Some people trace it to the early Church era when white robes were conferred on the recently baptized. According to this theory, the regular members of the Church wore new attire in memory of their own earlier baptisms.
The putting on of new garments was soon followed by superstitions about the custom. One of the more widely known rhymes is as follows:

At Easter let your clothes be new,
Or else be sure you will it rue.

An American belief is that good luck can be ensured for the year by wearing three new things on Easter Day.... The baptism of converts was preformed at Pentecost, and it still is second only to Easter Eve as a popular time for baptism. The white robes worn by the candidates for baptism prompted the English to call Pentecost "Whitsunday" (white Sunday). This remains the common name of the observance in Anglican churches. Today in the Roman and Anglican Churches the color of the liturgical vestments is red, symbolizing the tongues of fire in which the Holy Spirit appeared." (CELEBRATIONS (The Complete Book of American Holidays), by Robert J. Myers, with The Editors of Hallmark Cards, Doubleday & Co., Garden City, N.Y., 1972, pp.108 & 156-7).

"The joyful custom of wearing new clothes on Easter was kept by the early Christians. Easter Week was once called "White Week" or "Week of New Garments." Easter was a popular time for baptisms. People who were baptized wore new white clothes as a sign of their new life. There were other reasons for new clothes. People wanted to be as beautiful as the earth with her fresh leaves and flowers. Also, a common superstition said that anyone who wore old clothes would have bad luck:

At Easter let your clothes be new
Or else be sure you will it rue!

People who were too poor to buy new clothes wore a new ribbon, scarf, tie, or even new shoelaces...." (A Holiday Book, Easter, by Lillie Patterson, 1966, pp.21-22). "In the days of the early Christians, Easter was the time when new members of the church were baptized. Afterward they put on new white clothes as a sign of their joy. Now everyone likes to wear something new on Easter Sunday." (A Crowell Holiday Book, Easter, by Aileen Fisher, 1968, Pub. Thomas Y. Crowell Co., N.Y., pages not numbered). "Whitsunday. In Christian ritual, English name for the feast of Pentecost, ranking in importance with Christmas and Easter. Whitsunday commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit on the Apostles and disciples, the founding of the Church, the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and the mission to bring the Christian faith to all people throughout the world. The name Pentecost comes from the Greek word for 50 and refers to the 50 days after the Jewish Passover, which the ancient Jews celebrated as Shavuoth, a festival of thanksgiving for the year's harvest (Exodus 23:16).... The Early Church adopted the Greek name from the Jewish feast. When the feast is called Whitsunday, as in The Book of Common Prayer, it refers to the custom in Northern European countries of conferring baptism during the time. The candidates for baptism were dressed in white, thus White-Sunday, or Whitsunday. Since it was too cold in many Northern European countries to baptize during the great Easter vigil, many of the customs were transferred to Pentecost." (The Facts On File Encyclopedia Of World Mythology And Legend, by Anthony S. Mercatante, 1988, Facts On File, N.Y., Oxford, p.673.)
"Whitsunday: The English word "Whitsunday" (White Sunday) originated in the custom of newly baptized persons presenting themselves for service all dressed in white. Whitsunday derives its meaning and associations from the Jewish feast of Pentecost. Originally it lasted seven days but was limited, in 1094, to three days; Tuesday was abolished in 1711, and, by order of Pope Pius X in 1911, Monday was excepted as a day of holy obligation. Nevertheless, most European countries still observe the Monday following Whitsunday as a legal holiday...." (Concise Dictionary of Holidays, Raymond Jahn, Pub. by Philosophical Library, N.Y., 1958, p.100).

"Whit Sunday ... In the Christian Church it commemorates the descent of the Holy Spirit. The name means `white Sunday', thought to be an allusion to the white baptismal garments once worn on this day...." (A Dictionary of Days, by Leslie Dunkling, Pub. Facts On File Pub., N.Y., N.Y., Oxford, England, p.131).

"The British call Pentecost Whitsunday. The reason for this was that new Christians were often baptized during Pentecost. They wore white robes during the ceremony, giving the holiday the name White Sunday. In time, this became shortened to Whitsunday. All Christian churches celebrate Holy Communion and Confirmation on this occasion." (Easter And Other Spring Holidays, by Gilda Berger, Pub. by Franklin Watts, N.Y., Lon., Toronto, Sydney 1983, A First Book, p.38; Biblical Myths & Mysteries, by Gilbert Thurlow, Pub. by Octopus Books, 1974, London, p.64).

Whitsun, is special in England, for at the times of baptism “the candidates always wore white robes. Candidate means ‘robed in white.’” Peter Watkins & Erica Hughes, 1981, Here's the Year, (Great Britain: Camelot Press, Southhampton; New York; Julia MacRae Books, 1981), p. 90.

The modern "...ceremony of infant baptism, as practiced in the great church of the world." [Is described by J.M. Sjodahl], "The priest who performs it is directed to wear a white surplice, & two "stoles," or regalia; first one violet colored, to denote the sinfulness of the candidate, & then, after the evil spirit has been driven out, a white one, the symbol of purity & innocence. After the officiating clergyman had learned the name from the godfather, he gently breathes three times upon the child, to drive away the devil, and says: "Depart from him, thou unclean spirit, & give place to the Holy Ghost the Paraclete." Then he makes the sign of the cross on the forehead & the breast, & says a prayer. Next he lays his hands on the head of the infant, to signify that he takes possession in the name of the Lord, & utters another prayer...." Later during this ceremony, The clergyman "...puts a little spittle on his thumb & touches the ears & nostrils of the child, saying: "Epheta, that is to say, Be opened;" &, "For a sweet savor." Again the devil is commanded to be gone. The ceremony of the spittle is regarded as "deeply significative." Man is, we are told, in his natural state, spiritually deaf & dumb. Hence the ceremony of opening the ears & nostrils to "signify the necessity of having the senses of the soul open to the truth & grace of God."

"Next a promise is taken in behalf of the infant that it will renounce Satan, & all his works, whereupon it is anointed with oil upon the breast & between the shoulders, in the form of a cross. (Here the violet regalia are changed for the white.) The infant is now asked whether it believes in the Trinity, & the sponsor says, Yes. It is then asked whether it will be baptized, & the sponsor again says. Yes. Then water is poured 3 times upon its head, in the form of a cross,..." [In the name of the Father, Son & Holy Ghost]. "...After the water the infant is anointed on the head with chrism consisting of oil & balsam. A white linen cloth is also placed on its head, a reminder of the white garment in which the Christians in ancient days were clothed after baptism...." (The Reign of Antichrist (Or The Great "Falling Away") by J.M. Sjodahl, 1913, pp.36-45, citing here from pages 41-44).

6- Darell Thorpe, Holy & Protective Garments in Historic Christianity: Symbols of Deification, Resurrection, Clothed in Righteousness (Salt lake City, Utah: Kindle Edition - Sep 30, 2011, on line). The Ante-Nicene Fathers = (TANF) 2: p.49-50, 54, 91-3, 104-5, 174, 198-200, 203-6, 209-11, 213, 215-219, 231, here Clement of Alex., mentions being anointed & clothed in a garment, symbolic of Christ. He also made reference to "...the robe of immortality,..." See also p.234, 253-56, 265-6, 271, 302-3, 312-13, 461-2, etc. Monuments of Romanesque Art, Hanns Swarzenski, 1954 & 1967, Un. of Chicago Press, pl. 20, fig.45, pl.173, fig. 380, & 381, pl.173; Coptic Textiles, Ludmila Kybalova, Pub. by Paul Hamlyn LTD., 1967, pages 68-9, fig. 15 & 16, & p.34; Heaven: A History, by Colleen McDannell & Bernhard Lang, Pub. by Yale Un. Press, 1988, p.137, 140-1, & pl.26; Manners, Customs, & Observances, (Their Origin & Signification), by Leopold Wagner, Pub. Scripta Manent, Lon. William Heinemann, 1894, republished by Gale Research Co., Bk. Tower, Detroit, 1968, pp.212-3. Brigham Young Un. Studies Vol.22, Winter 1982 #1, p.31-45, Clothed Upon: A Unique Aspect of Christian Antiquity, by Blake Ostler.

7- Allen H. Richardson, M. Ed., David E. Richardson, Ph. D., and Anthony E. Bentley, M. Sc.; 1000 Evidences For the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, Volume 1, The
Everlasting Gospel, The First 500 Evidences, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Hawkes, 1994). Daniel C. Peterson, Dr. and Stephen David Ricks, Professor: Offenders For A Word {How Anti-Mormons Play Word Games to Attack the Latter-day Saints}, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Aspen Books, 1992). Comparing LDS Beliefs With 1st Century Christianity, The Ensign, March 1988, p. 7-11, (Salt Lake City, Utah: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). J. Eugene Seaich: Ancient Texts and Mormonism, (Murray, Utah: Sounds of Zion, 1983). The Heavenly Council, Mysteries and Sacred Ordinances, (unpublished research paper). Mormonism, The Dead Sea Scrolls & The Nag Hammadi Texts, (Murray, Utah: Sounds of Zion, 1980). James L . Barker, Apostasy From The Divine Church, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret News Press, 1960). Barker, The Divine Church, Down through Change, Apostasy therefrom, and Restoration, (Salt Lake City, Utah: The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, The Council of The Twelve Apostles, 1952, CR David O. McKay 1951), three volumes: 1952, 1953, 1954. Milton R. Hunter, The Gospel Through the Ages, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Stevens & Wallis, 1945). Rev. Alexander Hislop, The Two Babylons (or The Papal Worship Proved to be the Worship of Nimrod and His Wife), (England: A & C Black, LTD., 1916; American editions, Neptune, New Jersey: Loizeaux Brothers, 1943 and 1956); T. Edgar Lyon, Apostasy to Restoration, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret Book Company, 1960; Course of Study for the Melchizedek Priesthood Quorums of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, CR 1960, David O. McKay). The Reign of Antichrist Or The Great "Falling Away" by J.M. Sjodahl, 1913.

8- The early anti-Christian charge that the early Christians' god, or Jesus Christ, neglected other nations, sent no prophets to others, or didn't extend his Kingdom beyond the paths of the sun, or was neglectful of those before the Christian era can be found in the following:

Celsus: "Certainly, you Christians will not say that Christ, when He found that He could not induce the inhabitants on the surface of the earth to believe in His doctrines, descended to the infernal regions, in order that He might persuade those that dwelt there."

Celsus also goes on to accuse the early Christian of "inventing absurd apologies by which you are ridiculously deceived".

Celsus may have also noted that the pagan nations had correlative stories, and so he may have charged that the Christians' version was borrowed. Origen wrote in response to Celsus, that like it or not, Christ did descend to preach unto the spirits in hades.

(Sources: John P. Lundy, Monumental Christianity, pp.73-4; The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol.4, pp.419-20, & 448; Hoffmann, Celsus On The True Doctrine, p.65; Nibley, The World And The Prophets, pp.18-19; Nibley, Mormonism and Early Christianity, note 107, Origen Against Celsus II, 43, in PG 11:864-65. Hercules return from Hades may have been considered to be similar to Christ's descent & ascension up out of Hades. Concerning this, Lundy asked this question: "Can all this be a type of what is so often grouped together on the Christian monuments, Christ, after his resurrection, subjugating the powers of darkness, and doing His work of human restoration in founding His Church by Apostolic commission to preach the Gospel to all nations, and thus undoing the effects of the first human transgression?" (Lundy, Monumental Christianity, pp. 399, see also p. 98).

In another translation of Celsus: "Perhaps you Christians will say that having failed to convince men on earth of his divinity, he descended into hell to convince them there. In all of these beliefs you have been deceived; yet you persist doggedly to seek justification for the absurdities you have made doctrines." (Hoffmann, Celsus On The True Doctrine, p.65).

Origen responded to Celsus: "Whether he like it or not, we assert that not only while Jesus was in the body did He win over not a few persons only, but so great a number that a conspiracy was formed against Him on account of the multitude of His followers: but also, that when He became a soul, without the covering of the body, He dwelt among the disembodied spirits, converting such of them to Himself as were willing, or those whom He saw for reasons known to Himself, to be fitted for salvation." (Lundy, Monumental Christianity, p. 266, see note 1, Contra Cel., II. c. 43, Harvey's Creeds, I. p. 337).

Even the late 19th century anti-Christian writer, like Celsus, also notes this doctrine was taught and depicted in art works by the early Christians. Hence, T. W. Doane, notes: "Ancient Christian works of art represent his [Christs] descent into hell." (T. W. Doane, Bible Myths, and their Parallels In Other Religions, being a comparison of the Old and New Testament Myths and Miracles with Those of Heathen Nations of Antiquity, Considering also Their Origins and Meaning, 1882, 7th edition 1910, See chapter 22 pp. 211-214. Doane wrote that: "The doctrine of Christ Jesus' descent into Hell is emphatically part of the Christian beliefs, although not alluded by Christian divines excepting when unavoidable." Doane goes on to cite from St. Chrysostom, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, and others. (Bible Myths, pp. 211-14; Dean Plumptre's The Spirits in Prison: Studies on the Life after Death, p. 85, S.; see also: The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, pp. 419-20, & 448, Origen Against Celsus, Book 2, Chapter XLIII; Hoffmann, Celsus On The True Doctrine, p.65. Note 4: Jameson's History of Our Lord in Art, vol. 2, pp. 354-5).

Certainly the descent would answer another issue brought up by other critics about the early Christians' God being neglectful of others in pre-Christian times; for if they got to hear the gospel in the spirit world, they wouldn't have been neglected.

The early anti-Christian Porphyry, 2nd half of the 3rd cent. A.D., asked: If Christ is the way the truth and the life, and no ones comes to the Father but through Him, (John 14:6), what happened to the innumerable souls before the time of Christ, why did he hide himself for so many ages? Julian the Apostate asked why God had sent prophets to the Jews only, but no prophets & oil of anointing to other nations? Did God neglect us? The answer to these polemical questions, as given by some of the early Christian Fathers was that the gospel had been preached throughout the world and in the realms of the dead for prophets, angels and Christ had gone forth everywhere to spread the word.

(Sources: Robert L. Wilken, The Christians As The Romans Saw Them, (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 1984), pp. 162-3, & pp.94-196; After Jesus, by Reader's Digest, pp.199-200; The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 4: pp.407, 419-20, 422, 444, 447-8, 454, 458, 464, 468, 528, 557, 609, 617, 634, 641, & 660, Origen Against Celsus. Joseph Wilson Trigg, Origen, The Bible & Philosophy in the Third-century Church, (Atlanta: John Knox Press, 1983), pp. 222-243; John P Lundy, Monumental Christianity, Or the Art and Symbolism of the Primitive Church, (New York: J W Bouton, Broadway, 1875, 2nd Edition, 1882), pp. 73-4; Joseph R. Hoffmann, Celsus On The True Doctrine, (Oxford Un. Press, 1987), p.65; Dr. Huge W. Nibley, The World And The Prophets, (Salt Lake City and Provo, Utah: Deseret Book and Foundation For Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1987), volume 3 in The Collected Works of Huge Nibley, p.18-19).

Justin Martyr, [A.D. 110-165], wrote a polemical work that responded to some of the early anti-Christian Jews. He accused some of them having removed from some of the copies of the sayings of Jeremiah a prophecy that predicted Christ's descent. "The Lord God remembered His dead people of Israel who lay in the graves; and He descended to preach to them His own salvation." Lundy gives another translation of this prediction as it was recorded by Irenaeus: "`And the Lord remembered His dead saints (Israel) who slept in the land of sepulture; and He went down to preach His salvation to them, and to rescue and save them.'"

(Sources: The Ante-Nicene Fathers = (TANF), (Grand Rapids, Michigan: W. M. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, T & T Clark Edinburgh, reprinted, Oct. 1989), vol., 1: pp. 234-5, chapter LXXII, Justin Martyr, Dialogue With Trypho, see note I on p. 235, This is wanting in our Scriptures: it is cited by Iren., III, 20, under the name of Isaiah, and in iv. 22 under that of Jeremiah. See also: Alfred Firmin Loisy, The Birth of the Christian Religion and The Origins of the New Testament, (La Naissance du Christianisme Les Origines du Nouveau Testament), translated from French by L. P. Jacks, see pp. 204, & 270-1; James L. Barker, Apostasy From The Divine Church, (Salt Lake City, Utah: Deseret News Press, Kate Montgomery Barker, 1960), p. 63. Barker makes reference to Irenaeus, Against Heresies, IV, 27, 2, 12; Justin Martyrs, Dialogue with Trypho, LXXII, 4; The Shepherd of Hermas, Sim. IX. xvi, 5. See also: Ferguson, Encyclopedia Of Early Christianity, pp. 411-12; John P. Lundy, Monumental Christianity, Or the Art and Symbolism of the Primitive Church, (New York: J W Bouton, Broadway, 1875, 2nd Edition, 1882), pp. 264).

145-220, Tertullian wrote that: "Every spirit is possessed of wings. This is a common property of both angels and demons. So they are everywhere in a single moment; the whole world is as one place to them" (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 3:36, Tertullian, Apology, chapter xxii; see also p.179; The Soul's Testimony, chapter vi). If good angels & bad demons can go everywhere, why couldn't our Lord, Jesus Christ, before his birth, as a Spirit, & after his resurrection, go wherever he wished?

The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 3:157-8; 4:175-6, & 179; Russell, Satan (The Early Christian Tradition), 118-122; Bainton, Behold the Christ, p.170, fig. 194. Christ rules over the whole world, "he is the governor among the nations," & also the universe. (Col.1:10-22; & Psa.22:25-28).

God not neglectful of pre-Christian time people:

In the: RECOGNITIONS OF CLEMENT, [1ST--4TH CENTURIES A.D.?] Clement was concerned about what happened to those who lived in the times before Christ's birth, how could they be saved? Peter's answer is interesting to consider. In one translation, Clement asks Peter: "If those shall enjoy the kingdom of Christ, whom His coming shall find righteous, shall then those be wholly deprived of the kingdom who have died before His coming?" Then Peter says: "You compel me, O Clement, to touch upon things that are unspeakable. But so far as it is allowed to declare them, I shall not shrink from doing so. Know then that Christ, who was from the beginning, and always, was ever present with the pious, though secretly, through all their generations; especially with those who waited for Him, to whom He frequently appeared. But the time was not yet that there should be a resurrection of the bodies that were dissolved... In like manner [as what happened to Enoch, etc., Gen.5:24,] others were dealt with, who pleased His will, that, being translated to Paradise, they should be kept for the kingdom. But as to those who have not been able to completely fulfil the rule of righteousness, but have had some remnants of evil in their flesh, their bodies are indeed dissolved, but their souls are kept in good and blessed abodes, that at the resurrection of the dead, when they shall recover their own bodies, purified even by the dissolution, they may obtain an eternal inheritance in proportion to their good deeds. And therefore blessed are all those who shall attain to the kingdom of Christ; for not only shall they escape the pains of hell, but shall also remain incorruptible, and shall be the first to see God the Father, and shall obtain the rank of honour among the first in the presence of God.” The Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol.8, pp.74, & 91, Recognitions of Clement, Bk.1, see chapts.51-52, see also: The World And The Prophets, (The Col. Works, of Huge Nibley, Vol.3), pp.168, note 9, p.299, & 311, J.-P. Migne, Patrologiae Cursus Completus. Series Graeca (Paris: 1857-1866), 1:1236.

The fairness of God & the heavens is to also give those who were once disobedient, (New Testament, KJV, 1 Peter 3:15-22; 4:5-6), or who didn’t even know about God & his Son, Jesus Christ, many opportunities to hear the gospel & freely accept it, or reject it. Those who heard it, and knew of it, but were disobedient, will get many opportunities to hear it again & either live it or continue on down their paths of sins & bad habits. These are according to the ancient scriptures and the early Christian writings & art works, that show Christ, prophets, apostles, angels & saints preaching the gospel in hell, limbo, purgatory, the abyss, or underworld; then of Christ harrowing hell; guiding captives of hell over to paradise; or how Christ brings them to his Mother Mary, then brings the liberated souls to God the Father who have been set free from hell’s dungeons, the pit, or underworld spirit prison house; despite a personified hell & the Devil & his demons attempts to stop them from freeing their captives. Heavenly missionary forces, including John the Baptist, are depicted going down and preaching the gospel to the souls held captive, the doors of hades, limbo, purgatory or hell are kicked down by Christ. Christ & his angels, including Michael, bind the devil in irons as they resurrect & lift souls up out of their graves, or out of the opened pit or cavern of the underworld, to set them free from death & hell & the demonic powers in those after life realms. Thousands of art works all over historic Christianity, in the different sects & branches of Christianity, show different versions of this post-crucifixion event. Iconography of the Anastasis, or resurrection often shows different types of hand & wrist grasping done between Christ &Adam & Eve, the first to be resurrected out of their graves, which are depicted as an open pit in the underworld, with Christ standing on the broken down doors, often times fallen on a personified hades, hell or underworld demon, or the devil himself; symbolic of Christ’s victory over death & hell. The victory of Christ over death & the devil, where he tramples them, or puts them under his feet, or make them his foot stool, is symbolic of his victory. His victory march throughout the world, as he goes throughout all nations, places & peoples, is underway, during his post-resurrection victory march, with the cross-banner-weapon in his hands. Thus, Christ not only went to the realms of the dead, as a glorious spirit, after the crucifixion; he also went throughout the world, during his post-resurrection world wide treks. Art works of Masses for the Dead, Liturgical dramas, moral & mystery plays also depict different aspects of this event. The point being that even the once wicked souls held captive by the devil & his fallen angels, can eventually repent, upon hearing Christ calling to them & preaching to them; and be resurrected & set free as Christ’s glorious light, burst forth into the darkness of the underworld to set the repentant free. They come forth as “the grateful dead,” singing praises to God & Christ who has raised them up, or lifted them up, (by different types of hand & wrist grips), during the Anastasis, resurrection or Easter dramas, & harrowing. The descent into hell, limbo, hades, purgatory is one of the 12 passions, or passions showing Christ’s mercy and love for the whole world, & after life realms. Christ often is depicted in a mandorla of light & glory as he frees spirits in the spirit prison, after preaching the gospel to them, and of them accepting his message and repenting. Christ said that the "dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear him shall live." (John 5:25-29). Alan Richardson and John Bowden, (Editors), Westminster Dictionary of Christian Theology, (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: The Westminster Press, CR SCM Press Ltd 1983, first Published in Great Britain, 1983, entitled: A New Dictionary of Christian Theology). See the article entitled: The Descent into Hell. by A. T. Hanson. See also: Albert E. Bailey, The Gospel In Art, (Boston & Chicago: Pilgrim Press, 1916); Alice K. Turner, 1993, The History of Hell, (New York, San Diego, U.S.A.; London, England: Harcourt Brace & Company); Ariel L. Crowley, BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD, (Boise Idaho: Prepared for Electronic Media by Stanley D. Barker. See also: Chandler Rathfon Post, A History of Spanish Painting, (Cambridge, Massachusetts: Harvard University Press, 1930—1958). (New York: Kraus reprint Company, 1970's); Colleen McDannell and Bernhard Lang, Heaven: A History, (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 1988); Geoffrey R. King, The Forty Days, (Grand Rapids, Michigan: W.M. B. Eerdmans, 1949); Hanns Swarzenski, Monuments Of Romanesque Art, The Art of Church Treasures in North-Western Europe, (The University of Chicago Press, 1954 and 2nd, Edition, 1967); Henry Ansgar Kelly, The Devil at baptism: Ritual, Theology, and Drama, (Ithaca and London: Cornell University Press, 1985); Ignazio Mancini, O.F.M., (Historical Survey), Archaeological Discoveries, Relative to the Judaeo-Christians, (Jerusalem: Studium Biblicum Franciscanum, Collection minor #10, Franciscan Printing Press, 1970); Jacobus de Voragine, The Golden Legend, (Readings on the Saints), (Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, Vol. 2, 1993); The Golden Legend, Jacobus de Voragine, translated and adapted from the Latin by Granger Ryan and Helmut Ripperger, 1941, New York: Arno Press of New York Times, 1969); Jeffrey Burton Russell, Satan, The Early Christian Tradition, (Ithaca, London: Cornell University Press, 1981); Russell, Lucifer, The Devil In the Middle Age, (Ithaca, London: Cornell University Press, 1984); Russell, The Prince of Darkness, Radical Evil and the Power of Good in History, (Ithaca, New York: Cornell University Press, 1988). Jeffrey Ruda, Fra Filippo, Life And Work, (North American: Harry N. Abrams, Phaidon Press, 1993); John P. Lundy, Monumental Christianity, Or the Art and Symbolism of the Primitive Church, (New York: J. W. Bouton, 1875 & 1882); John Pope-Hennessy, Fra Angelico, (London, England: Phaidon Press, 1952, CR 1974, Phaidon Press, LTD. And in Ithaca, New York: Cornell University Press, 1974); Italian Renaissance Sculpture, (London, England: Phaidon Press, 1958); Kurt Weitzmann, (Essays), Studies In The Arts At Sinai, (New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1982); Weitzmann, Byzantine Book Illumination & Ivories, (London: Variorum Reprints, 1980); Weitzmann, The Miniatures Of The Sacra Parallela (Parisinus Graecus 923), (Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1979); Illustrations In Roll & Codex, A Study of The Origin & Method of Text Illustration, (Princeton, New Jersey: Princeton University Press, 1947); Weitzmann, (Editor, Herbert L. Kessler), Studies In Classical & Byzantine Manuscript Illumination, (Chicago, U.S.A., and London, England: The University of Chicago Press, 1971); Weitzmann, (Editor), Age Of Spirituality, 1979; The Icon, (New York: Arnoldori Editore, & Alfred A. Knopf., Inc. 1982); Weitzmann's Studies In Classical And Byzantine Manuscript Illumination, edited by Herbert L. Kessler, (Chicago; London: University of Chicago Press, 1971); Weitzmann, & others, Arnoldori Editor, The Icon, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1982); Illuminated Greek Manuscripts from American Collections, An Exhibition in Honor of Kurt Weitzmann, Edited by Gary Vikan, (The Art Museum, Princeton University Press, 1973, [Dates of exhibition April 14--May 20, 1973]. Martha Himmelfarb, Tours Of Hell, An Apocalyptic Form in Jewish and Christian Literature, (Philadelphia: University of Pennsylvania Press, 1983). O.M. Dalton, Byzantine & Archaeology, (Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1911, and New York: Dover Publishing, Inc., 1961); Dalton, East Christian Art, A Survey of the Monuments, (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1925); Raymond Koechlin, Les Ivoires Gothiques Francais, (Planches), (Paris: Reimpression, F. De Nobele, 1968); Walter Oakshott, Classical Inspiration In Medieval Art, (New York, New York: Frederick A. Praeger Inc., 1959); William Barclay, The Apostles' Creed For Everyman, (New York and Evanston: Harper and Row, 1967); William Hood, Fra Angelico at San Marco, (New Haven & London: Yale University Press, 1993). Hallenfahrt Christis, in Richard Paul Wulker, Bibliothek der Angelsachsischen Poesie, (Leipzig: Wigands, 1897), three volumes. Himmel Hölle Fegefeuer, Das Jenseits im Mittelalter, 1994, Schweizerisches Landesmuseum, Zurich, Wilhelm Fink Verlag, Munchen. See also: Early Christian writer, Clement of Alexandria, he wrote that all people would be given a chance to hear the gospel around the world, and in what ever realm or place that they were at. Even the apostles, like Christ, had preached the gospel in hades too. Clement says that he thinks that it has been demonstrated that the God being good, and the Lord being powerful, would "save with a righteousness and equality which extend to all that turn to Him, whether here or elsewhere." He also says that it is not only here alone that the active power of God is beforehand, but it is also everywhere. And it is always at work. Citing from the Preaching of Peter, Clement says that the Lord said to the disciples after the resurrection, "I have chosen you twelve disciples, judging you worthy of men," whom the Lord wished to be apostles, having judged them faithful, sending them into the world to the men on the earth, that they may know that there is one God, showing clearly what would take place by the faith of Christ; that they who heard and believed should be saved; and that those who believed not, after having heard, should bear witness, not having the excuse to allege, We have not heard." The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 2:490-2, Miscellanies, Book 6, chapter 6. Christ was depicted as the Pantocrator, in a late 8th century ivory panel. He holds a book in his hand, perhaps it is symbolic of the gospel message which was for the whole world. He tramples under his feet a lion and serpent symbolic of the devil. Christ holds a cross in his right hand, it seems that Christ was intended here to appear to be on the move. Or in the act of taking the gospel and the message of redemption into those areas which He is the great Pantocrator over. The artist may have also intended to depict Christ's victory over satan who is trampled under Christ's feet as the march goes on. Art of the Christian World, A.D. 200-1500 (A Handbook of Styles and Forms) by Christe, Velmans, Losowska and Recht, 1982, p. 85. fig. 166, "Christ Pantocrator, ivory panel, late 8th c., Mus. Royaux d'Art et d'Histoire, Brussels".

In a mosaic of "THE MEDIEVAL CHRIST...." is a depiction of Christ sitting on what could be His throne. This work is found "...in the thirteenth-century church of St. Tommaso in Formis, Rome..." Here Christ clasps the wrists of two men whos' feet are in irons, one man is white, while the other man seems to represent the darker skinned races. Thus, they also represent the captives of the different races of the world. In clasping their wrists, Christ "...draws into one and the same salvation the captives of every race. It is a concept that could have great significance for the church of the future, when developed and developing countries alike have a mass of redundant and virtually captive people." But also this art work could have preserved the idea that Christ would give to every race of the human family a fair chance at salvation. The script around this mosaic reads: "ET CAPTIVORVM + SIGNVM . ORDINIS . SANCTAE TRINITATIS ." (The Oxford Illustrated History of Christianity, Edited by John McMANNERS, Pub. Oxford Un. Press, Oxford N.Y., 1990, p.632).


9- Extra-biblical text charge of anti-Mormon "Christians" who claim that Mormons can't be Christians because they believe in "extra-biblical texts," (like the Book of Mormon & other LDS Scriptures), is ironic! How so? Because the critics often require a belief in the trinity, the Nicene Creed in order to qualify as being a Christian. The problem with this is that the Nicene Creed is not found in the bible! Modern critics also rejecting LDS restored version of deification, still want LDS to accept the Nicene Creed which was argued out by early Christian fathers & leaders during the Nicene Council of 325 AD. However, those who were at this council also taught their own versions of deification, while many admit that the formulas of the creed were not found in the scriptures. So that's the irony of it all.

"We are well aware that the Bishops and writers of ancient times when discussing the theology of the Father and the Son never used the word homoousios." Here we see that they acknowledged the fact that earlier Christians had not used such terms. Eusebius had attempted to assure the Christians under him that things had been carefully examined and worked out during the council. And that they had finally agreed, even though there had been much discussion concerning and trouble concerning "the use of certain expressions not found in the Scriptures.... Since the divinely inspired Scriptures never use such terms as `out of nothing,' or `that existed which at one time did not exist,' and such like terms; for it did not seem proper (eulogon) to say and teach such things,... never in times before have we thought it proper to use these terms." (Dr. Huge W. Nibley, The World And The Prophets, 47-51, & 301-2, citing from Patrologia Cursus Completus, Series Graeca = PG, (Paris: J.-P. Migne, 1857-1866), 161 volumes, see 67:41-57, 64, 68, 72, & 76; PG, 26:684, 688-9, 760; J.-P. Migne, Patrologiae Cursus Completus... Series Latina = PL, (Paris: 1844-1864), 221 volumes, 10:566-68. PL 10:566-68).

The Rev. Dr. Charles Francis Potter notes how that the many new discoveries of ancient documents is challenging the Christian world to examine its present day doctrines, practices and rituals. “Few believing Christians yet realize . . . how many important doctrines are due to be changed radically, and how many others should eventually be eliminated when the [Dead Sea] Scrolls are properly recognized and evaluated in relation to the New Testament.” Among some of the doctrines he says will have to go is “the doctrine of the Trinity, which was never in the Bible anyway.” (The Rev. Dr. Charles Francis Potter, The Lost Years of Jesus Revealed, From the Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag-Hammadi discoveries, (Greenwich, Conn.: A Fawcett Gold Medal Book, Facett Publications, Inc., 1958, 1962, revised edition), pp. 15—16).

William G. Rusch notes that: “Tertullian is actually the first to introduce the Latin trinitas into Christian literature.” Further on, Rusch notes how that years later, during the Council of Nicaea: “It is not clear what the council intended to teach by the phrase “from the substance [ousia] of the Father” and homoousios with the Father. Both were unscriptural and employed with some reluctance. The later phrase was placed in the creed by the emperor Constantine, probably with Hosius’s guidance. Literally it means “of the same ousia” (substance).” (William G. Rusch, The Trinitarian Controversy, (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1980), pp. 10, 19—20).

Other sources of other issues:

Some of the early anti-Christians who rejected the early Christians’ versions of the pre-existence, or at least certain aspects of it, as some critics might have accepted their own versions of it, as taught in Jewish writings & paganism: Trypho the Jew said to Justin Martyr, A.D. 100—165, that their [Trypho's] teachers had taught them that the [early] Christians utter many blasphemies, seeking to persuade us that Christ or “this crucified man was with Moses and Aaron, and spoke to them... [And] that he became a man...” The Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 1: p.213, Dialogue With Trypho, chapter 38. Thus, this early anti-Christian rejected the concept that Christ pre-existed. John 1:1—5; 6:62—65; 8:56—58; 16:28—33; 17:4—5; 1 Peter 1:18—20; Hebrews 1:1—3; Pearl of Great Price, Abraham 3:24; The Book of Mormon, 3 Nephi 9:15—17; Ether 3; 2 Nephi 11:2—3; devil knew who Christ was Mark 3:11—12; Luke 4:33—35; The Ante-Nicene Fathers, vol. 1, p. 213. Jewish documents make reference to the pre-existence. Angelo S. Rappoport, Ancient Israel Myth and Legends, vol. 1, p. 7, 42—43, etc.; Bernard J. Bamberger, 1952, Fallen Angels, pp. 109—10, etc.; DaRell D. Thorpe, The Grand Pilgrimage: Footnoting In & “Out of the Best Books” [D&C 88:118], (Salt Lake City, Utah: Religious, Historical & Polemical Studies, 1992), vol. 1, part 1, based on issues 1—4, revised, April—August 1992, pp. 5—7. Dr. Huge W. Nibley, The Old Testament And Related Studies, vol. 1, of The Collected Works of Huge Nibley, (Salt Lake City & Provo, Utah: Deseret Book & Foundation For Ancient Research and Mormon Studies = F.A.R.M.S., 1986). So they may not have had too much of a problem with the idea of a pre-existence. But rather, the Jews had a hard time accepting Christ as being the one God, or another God. And that it was Jesus who had spoken to their prophets. Furthermore, though Jewish writings have their own particular versions of the war in heaven. Plus, how Satan and his angels fell from heaven. Still, in spite of this, Trypho rejects the early Christians’ version of the story, for he says that they "...assert that angels sinned and revolted from God." Justin cites from Isaiah, Zechariah, Job, Moses, & David to show how Jewish scriptures say that the devil and his demons fell from heaven to become fallen angels/demons. Plus, how the wicked angels sinned when they revolted against God. (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 1:238, Dialogue With Trypho, chapter 79). Justin Martyr: "But Jesus is indeed he who appeared and spoke to Moses, to Abraham and in a word, to all the other patriarchs, to serve the will of his Father; it is he who came to be born a man by the Virgin Mary, and he is one still." (Justin, Dialogue With Trypho, CXIII, 4).

A.D., 115—168—181, Theophilus of Antioch, while responding to the early anti-Christian, Autolycus, says this: In the pre-existence, Christ was in a council in heaven with God the Father. The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 2:103, Theophilus to Autolycus, chapter 22. See also: New English Bible, Wisdom of Solomon 8:19-20. David Winston, Anchor Bible Series, The Wisdom of Solomon, (Garden City: Doubleday, 1982), p.26, 198; Van Hale, Mormon Miscellaneous, note cards, Set 1, card #132, March 1985. Angelo S. Rappoport, Ancient Israel Myth and Legends, vol. 1, p. 7, 42—43, etc.; Bernard J. Bamberger, 1952, Fallen Angels, pp. 109—10, etc.; DaRell D. Thorpe, The Grand Pilgrimage: Footnoting In & “Out of the Best Books” [D&C 88:118], (Salt Lake City, Utah: Religious, Historical & Polemical Studies, 1992), vol. 1, part 1, based on issues 1—4, revised, April—August 1992, pp. 5—7. Dr. Huge W. Nibley, The Old Testament And Related Studies, vol. 1, of The Collected Works of Huge Nibley, (Salt Lake City & Provo, Utah: Deseret Book & Foundation For Ancient Research and Mormon Studies = F.A.R.M.S., 1986). See also: Nibley, Enoch The Prophet, The Collected Works of Huge Nibley, vol. 2, (1986); Job 38:4—8, 32:8; Numbers 16:22; 27:16; Isaiah 14:12—19; Ezekiel 28:14—19. A History of Christian Doctrine, by William G. T. Shedd, D.D., Vol. II, p.3-5, (3rd Edition), 1883, N.Y., Pub. Charles Scribner's Sons.

As we might note from the above comments, & others that will follow, the doctrines & stories concerning the pre-existence were interpreted in many different ways. It seems that each early Jewish & early Christian sects developed their own particular interpretations to the different stories. These different interpretations were noted by the early anti-Christian writer, Celsus [who wrote against the early Christians about 170-180 A.D.]. Celsus had lumped the different Christian sects into a sweeping generalization. And by so doing this, he went on to mock the Christians for their beliefs in a war in heaven in which "two sons of God" had been locked in combat with each other. Later, during the 3rd century A.D., the early Christian writer, Origen, wrote 8 books that we know of, which responded to Celsus. The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 4: 395-669, Origen Against Celsus. In his response, Origen presents some of his own views concerning the war in heaven, etc. He objected to how Celsus had used Marcion's war in heaven story, in order to generalize what "the Christians believed." However, Origen does not seem to object to the idea that 2 brothers had fought against each other in a war in heaven. For though he rejected to Celsus's use of the heretic Marcion's opinion in this case. He does not argue against this element of the pre-existence story. (Ibid., Vol.4, pp. 405, 526-7, 538-9, 544, 560, 591-607; Celsus On the True Doctrine, Translated by R. Joseph Hoffmann, 1987, Pub., Oxford Un. Press, p.105. See also: A History of Christian Doctrine, Shedd, op. cit., pp.5-10.)

The council of Constantinople in 553 A.D. And Origenists came under attack for their views on the pre-existence, based on the teachings of Origen. (The Nicene & Post-Nicene Fathers, Vol.XIV, pages 299-323.)

One of the earliest Christian writings claimed to have been possibly written by Clement of Rome, [A.D. 30-100], reads: "Our one Lord Jesus Christ, who has saved us, being first a spirit, was made flesh,..." (The Lost Books of the Bible, p. 143, 2nd Clement, c.4:2).

The council of heaven is mentioned by Theophilus of Antioch, [A.D. 115-168-181]. In response to an early anti-Christian named Autolycus. The Word or Christ, is God the Father's Son. "For before anything came into being He had Him as a counsellor, being His own mind & thought. But when God wished to make all that He determined on, He begot this Word, uttered, the first-born of all creation, not Himself being emptied of the Word [Reason], but having begotten Reason, & always conversing with His Reason. And hence the holy writings teach us, & all the spirit-bearing [inspired] men, one of whom, John, says, "In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God," showing that at first God was alone, & the Word in Him...." (The Ante-Nicene Fathers, 2:103, c.22).

Archived shows of Environmental Issues; Global Warming Scam! World Carbon Taxes!

Moral Issues, Getting Help With Our Vices!

Ann Tolley & Steven Crowshaw, S. A. Lifeline Foundation, Tues. 9-6-2011, Help With Porn Addiction!

Go 2 Delta, Cure For Cancer, Fri. 8-19-2011.

Environmental Issues, Saving the Planet from our Emissions?

H Leighton Steward, Carbon is Good For Plants! Fri 8-26-11.


Constance Cumbey, The Hidden Dangers of the Rainbow. Mills Crenshaw's salvaged interview with Constance Cumbey, on KTKK, 12-18-1988,
Part 1; Part 2; Part 3 to 3:50 into this video series. More sections to be archive, tracking down originals.

Don't Step in the Bull Behind Global Warming & Carbon Taxes Scams!

Click this link & On Pictures to hear shows. This one aired: Tues 4-17-2012, Guest: Wayne Brillhart, author of: The Mystery at the Birdfeeder. Topic: Global Warming Issues; Carbon Good for Plants - World Carbon Taxe$, Good for Politician$' Pocket Book$
Global Warming Bull - (How Cows' Cars' & Humans' Emissions are being taxed by Globalists Seeking a World Carbon Emissions Tax. How Carbon gas is actually Good for Plants! How the Truth Behind the Bull is how Politician$' Pocket Book$ Will Bur$t, Under Governments' Regulations & Global Carbon Taxes!)
Waynes Blog
Wayne has a book in the works too, an ebook on global warming called "Celebrating Earth Day - Finding the Truth". It will soon be posted on Amazon.com. "We need more CO2 to keep plants healthy so the birds will be healthy so we can have more bird books for children to learn about nature."

Like the ever increasing National Debt! Spinning out of control!

Like the ever increasing National Debt! Spinning out of control!
How many humans' & animals' emissions might it take to destroy the planet! Will they ever give us a sum?

Carbon Taxes! Spoof on Claims that Animals' & Humans' Emissions, harm earth!

From: Cosmic Agents, a crazy, funny, historical, science fiction series, in rough draft forms, episodes still being filmed. According to some scenes in different episodes, Cosmic Agents, from different times, inhabited planets & places; such as earth 23rd century; don't have to deal with human emissions, as humans do throughout human history. Futuristic Sciences have solved the human & animal emissions "crisis!" However, when Cosmic Agents go back in time, & eat earth's food, of earlier centuries; or food on other inhabited worlds; they sometimes run into unexpected problems & have strange reactions & side effects to the foods. Such as in the case with earth's 21st century food. For what such chemically processed foods did to their futuristic bodies, that are not conditioned to deal with human emissions, are what Cosmic Agents try to watch out for, when out of their own times & places. See also the spoof on Global Taxes on emissions! Hope you see how crazy the climate change & global warming issues are, by watching these crazy comical sections of this series.

If you find these sections of Cosmic Agents, as, too crazy, freakish, offensive & stupid! So also do many of us who consider the other sides of the stories behind the global warming scam! The
hypocracy of those who preach global warming warnings, as they fly around in their private jets! If you were offended by the crazy silly section in Cosmic Agents, about the bathroom gas emissions tax counters on the toilet paper roller devices; covert ops to the bushes; carbon emission cops! Then why not also be offended at Sheryl Crow's comments during a Global Warming College Tour, that we should use only 1 square of toilet paper! How many oxygen making trees were cut down to make the different books that claim humans' & animals' gas emissions need to be taxed, & carbon foot prints reduced?

Patrick Lockerby, 3-22-2010, Science 2.0, article: Why Cattle-Driven Global Warming Is A Load of Bull.

Cliff Kincaid, Global Taxe$ for World Government, (Louisiana: Huntington House, 1997).

Climategate Gadianton Robbers Global Warming Tax Gains!

Dr Deagle Show 111609 1/4 Dr Mike Coffman - Bankster Bailouts & World Carbon Tax Scam.

Global Warming Scam Exposed!

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Click on Picture for Full Movie)

The Great Global Warming Swindle (Click on Picture for Full Movie)
The film, made by British television producer Martin Durkin, presents scientists, economists, politicians, writers, and others who dispute the scientific consensus regarding anthropogenic global warming.

H. Leighton Steward on KTKK - Carbon is Good for Plants

H. Leighton Steward on KTKK - Carbon is Good for Plants
Click on photo to hear the show aired Friday, 8-26-2011

H Leighton Steward was on KTKK, Friday, Aug. 26, 2011, 3:30 PM

H Leighton Steward was on KTKK, Friday, Aug. 26, 2011, 3:30 PM
CO2 Good for plants, but not me & you & the climate too? CO2 helps plants grow!

Do Emissions from humans, animals & cars cause global warming? Or NOT!

Do Emissions from humans, animals & cars cause global warming? Or NOT!
Spoof on Global Warming! How many human & animal emissions will it take to destroy the planet? LOL!

What's Smoking?

What's Smoking?
The Dangers & Cost of Smoking

We're always hearing Mills talk about "The Blaze"

We're always hearing Mills talk about "The Blaze"
Here's why, see why, click on picture to go to: "The Blaze!"

Catherine Thorpe, Friday Nov. 4, 2011, 5:00 PM Mountain Time

Catherine Thorpe, Friday Nov. 4, 2011, 5:00 PM Mountain Time
French Language & Culture Can Benefit Your Life

Vive La France School & Travel

Vive La France School & Travel
Easy-Learn French Classes - Speak the Romantic Language of Franch in Salt Lake City

DON THORPE IMAGES

DON THORPE IMAGES
ENTER THE WORLD OF PHOTOGRAPHY- CLICK ON PHOTOS

Don O Thorpe, Friday, Nov. 4, 2011, will be on after Catherine!

Don O Thorpe, Friday, Nov. 4, 2011, will be on after Catherine!
Don Thorpe's On going quest for up-lifting photographs!

Don Thorpe's Pro. Photography Quests Have Taken Him to Beautiful, Dangerous & Holy Places!

Don Thorpe's Pro. Photography Quests Have Taken Him to Beautiful, Dangerous & Holy Places!
Boats on the Sea of Galilee

Sigur Ros a mellow Rock Band from Iceland, perhaps Lite Zeppelin rather than Led

Some Musical Spices to Add to Your Musical Food, from Darell Thorpe, Associate Producer, 1-8-2012.

Beam me up Scotty, to what ever heaven Sigur Ros is playing their songs. Oh wait, Scotty, their music just beamed me with chills straight to heaven, never mind. Please, tell Captain Kirk I'll no longer be on the Enterprise, cause I'm now treking the universe in the star ship called, "Sigur Ros!"


Bowing the guitar like Jimmy Page of Led Zeppelin, the singer & guitarist from a rock band from Iceland, called Sigur Ros, bows shilling & chilling effects on his guitar that can take you down to hell, or lift you to heaven. Thus, their band is like a Lite Zeppelin, taking out some of the Led to make the Zeppelin float up with the soul to the celestial regions. At least, that's how I would contrast this band with others.

Sigur Rós - Njósnavélin (The Nothing Song)
Olsen Olsen - HD

Glósóli (LIVE)

Svefn-G-Englar LIVE Inni Version

Popplagið - The Pop Song - Untitled 8 (2002) This one starts out mellow & then goes into a serious jam session!
Popplagið
(another live version).
Documentary concert by Sigur Ros.

Callin All The Clans Together- Performed by James Hooker

Callin All The Clans Together- Performed by James Hooker
Gather around the radio to hear a true patriot, Mills Crenshaw!

Timothy Ballard - The American Covenant

Timothy Ballard - The American Covenant
The Divine Hand of Protection & Influence Upon the Founding Fathers of USA

Tim Ballard, The American Covenant, was Mills' Guest Wed. 8-31-2011, 3:30-5

Tim Ballard, The American Covenant, was Mills' Guest Wed. 8-31-2011, 3:30-5
Tim talked about interesting stories that challenged some listeners to take another look at God's hand in the making of this Nation!

Timothy Ballard, The American Covenant (Series)

Timothy Ballard, The American Covenant (Series)
Tim to be speaking on Tues. 12-6-2011, 7-9 PM Mountain Time, @ North Logan Library, 475 E. 2500 N. North Logan, Utah.

Archived shows on How to Get Ready for Emergencies! Food Shortages, Etc.

Ready for Emergencies? Get Ready Now!
Tues. 9-20-2011, J. Allen South, Sense of Survival!

Darell Thorpe, Associate Producer's Comments on Tim's The American Covenant

Wednesday, Dec. 7, 2011, 70 Years later to the day when Pearl Harbor's USA Navy & other places were bombed by Japanese war planes; Mills had as guest, Timothy Ballard, again. His books get into Military victories, & the miracles performed by the Almighty to bring about freedom in America. His book series: The American Covenant, One Nation Under God, Discovery Through Revolution, (Vol. 1), is an interesting read to those who want to read about what you don't get to read about in the modern school history books, because such things are being left out, for some reason! His volume 2 is coming out in about 2 weeks, entitled: The American Covenant, One Nation Under God, The Constitution, the Civil War and Our Fight to Preserve the Covenant Today. Tim was Mills' guest back in Wed. 8-31-2011, click link to hear archived show!

(Darell Thorpe, Associate Producer's note: I finished reading the first volume & it's a must read for those interested in some of the miracles & other stories that you don't hear about now days. Why didn't we read or hear about these things in school? You now can find out what happened during the Revolutionary war, the miracles that are documented by Tim, from old journals, letters, & talks of those early days! How the hand of God was acknowledged as preserving & helping America gain her freedoms!)

Darell Thorpe, Associate Producer: When I first met Timothy Ballard, back in Aug. 2011, during a book fair, I was impressed by the good spirit that I felt from him. I discerned that he had interesting stories to tell. So I interviewed him & learned about his first volume of The American Covenant. As a fellow researcher, writer & student of different types of histories, I felt like America's founding fathers' histories were areas that I lacked knowledge in. Oh sure, I've read many books on American history, & about the American Revolution, & even done radio shows about them too; but there were somethings missing, which I didn't know were missing! It turns out that Tim was able to present things that brought back memories of things I've read years ago, but also stories that I've never heard about. Thus, I became more interested the more we talked & considered each others' notes. I bought his book from his publisher, Boyd Tuttle of Digital Legend, & as soon as it came in the mail, I started reading the first volume. The more I read, the more impressed I was with the sources, & other aspects of early American history that; for some reasons, I didn't get in school, and sad to say, even in the many different college classes that I took that were said to cover "American History" too!


I went to an earlier presentation that Tim gave in Salt Lake City, Utah, in Fall 2011 & filmed it; & again I learned more about the miracles & the interesting stories that took place to help bring about our freedoms here in America! Clearly God's hand is credited by the founding fathers, in helping to bring about religious freedom, the Constitution & the restoration of the American Covenant.

At Tim's next presentation, to be held Tues, 12-6-2011, 7-9 PM Mountain Time, North Logan Library, 475 East 2500 North, North Logan, Utah; the following questions will be explored:

Why did Christopher Columbus passionately believe that his discovery of the New World would lead to a restoration of God's holy temple?

What did the early settlers know about the Restoration, and why did they call themselves the "New Israel?"

What did George Washington know about American prophecies connected to the House of Israel?

Why did Lincoln seek out a Book of Mormon during the darkest days of the civil war?

I might add these questions, as I read Tim's book:

Why haven't we read or heard about these miracles in school? How different storms & other miraculous weather conditions seemed to have appeared out of no where, to help save George Washington's armies, from time to time?

Why was George Washington not killed by gun fire, even though two horses were shot from underneath him, & he had evidence of being hit by gun fire in his clothing?

What of the vision of the future of America that George Washington was given?

What of the American Covenant & the restoration of it? Why do we find hand clasping covenants in both early to later Christian art works & ancient American works? Hand clasping being the traditional ways to seal contracts & covenants, & oaths of homage that earlier Knights, Earls, Barons & Lords would perform before militant Christian Kings, to covenant to fight & defend the Church & the Christian Kings' earthly kingdoms. Which hand clasping covenants, symbols & signs were passed down from historic Christian mysteries to later masonry, which George Washington & other founding fathers were a part of.

Why has the school systems in modern America taken out of the history books, or not included, how the "hand of God," is credited by many founding fathers, as being the protective power behind the gaining of our freedoms?

These, and many more questions, you'll find answers in hearing the presentations & in hearing the radio shows, the one archived, & the one to be aired on Dec. 7, 2011, Wednesday, starting 5:00 PM, Mountain Time. You do NOT want to miss these shows & this presentation & miss out on reading this up-lifting & insightful series, by Timothy Ballard, The American Covenant.

Dr. Cionni Wolsey Eye Institute- were back in 9-7-11 Wed. 5-6PM- Past show: 8-31-2011

Dr. Cionni Wolsey Eye Institute- were back in 9-7-11 Wed. 5-6PM- Past show: 8-31-2011
Topic: Implantable contacts, are what Doctors ordered! 1 1/2 hour into show.

Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand, 1957

Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand, 1957
Perhaps you've heard Mills talk about this book. Well his producer, Darell Thorpe, bought a copy & is reading it! Review to follow!

Atlas Shrugged, about Ayn Rand the author, 1957

Atlas Shrugged, about Ayn Rand the author, 1957
Why does Mills want everyone to read this book? The Lessons there in?

Cure for Cancer, Food Drug Administration = FDA's Picking & Approving Our Poisons to Take!

To listen in on this show, Cure for Cancer, that aired Friday, 8-19-2011, 3:30 PM, click on this link, but only after you read the following!

Mills Crenshaw's Guest & Callers talked about how the FDA approves drugs that have a lot of bad side effects & how some companies' drugs, or products, have caused many deaths, or other health problems. As I listened, I thought about my own research, how the FDA seems to quickly go after some companies' products; while they take their time with others. How the FDA seems to pick & choose which ones to approve; while going after others; while not going after, as much as we think they should; different products with a long history of deadly side effects & harmful consequences. Such as in the cases of long term uses of different tobacco products. Thus, this show reminded me of what I wrote in an article about different cases in point:

See:
Tobacco Companies & FDA cases

Go 2 Delta on KTKK 8-19-2011 Friday- Click Photo

Go 2 Delta on KTKK 8-19-2011 Friday- Click Photo
Cure for Cancer! Hear the Story

Monday, Nov. 28, 2011, 5-6 PM Mountain Time, Guest: Tres Prier Hatch, author & big Loser!

Monday, Nov. 28, 2011, 5-6 PM Mountain Time, Guest: Tres Prier Hatch, author & big Loser!
She's a big Loser because she lost 110 lbs., hear how!

Tues. 9-6-2011, Ann Tolley & Steven Croshaw were Mills' Guests, topic: Help with Porn Addiction

Tues. 9-6-2011, Ann Tolley & Steven Croshaw were Mills' Guests, topic: Help with Porn Addiction
Porn! What Your Eyes Shouldn't See! - S. A. Lifeline Foundation

Nick Galieti

Nick Galieti
Tree of Sacrament

Nick Galieti was a guest of Mills Crenshaw's show Tuesday 8-9-2011

Nick Galieti was on KTKK 8-9-2011, Tuesday.

Nick Galieti nick@studio5-1.com

He has written and had published by Eborn Books, a doctrinal/devotional work on the LDS sacrament entitled Tree of Sacrament.

Picturing Joseph, a special selection for the 2009 LDS Film Festival, and Murder of the Mormon Prophet to be released this year.

Directed and produced an old time radio variety show called "The Radio Gold Hour"

Tree of Sacrament, Doctrine/Devotional Book:

Documentary "Picturing Joseph"

Documentary "Murder of the Mormon Prophet" (based on the book by LeGrand L. Baker (not yet released)

Article for the Deseret News/Mormon Times:

Produced and Engineered the Stars of Leo CD:

Produced and Engineered the Good Manor CD: